On whitness, sex, and being a nerd or how making beta on changing places with a black person is misguided

http://the-toast.net/2014/09/30/sexu...re-dialogue/3/

This is exactly it.

You can see the corollary - Spanks goes out of his way to make excuses for and agree with those in the minority opinion.

I don't think Spanky does this much, and he's demonstrated it very recently arguing in favor of hip hop. He's pretty much spot on about the group think and politically-motivated bullying he's observed. It's not like this sort of thing doesn't go on in conservative circles too, it happens frequently where groups of like-minded individuals with passionate opinions congregate. Religion and politics, right?

Just to be sure, we all agree it's alright to be extra careful in a neighborhood that's notorious for high crime rates, right? To avoid walking by sketchy/homeless looking folks on dark/lonely streets?

Trying to understand what the thread thinks are appropriate measures to take when profiling people/areas, if any.

lol its great to see you looking inside hearts and minds with such massive confidence when it suits you.

Do you believe that the side on which the majority of posters here find themselves for a random given issue has a greater than 50% chance of being the "right" side? Do you believe it has less than a 50% chance of being the "right" side? What does your answer say about your beliefs about the makeup of this forum?

In this context, the "wisdom of the crowd" would be the claim that any consensus opinion held by the group here has a greater probability of being accurate than the opinion of any single poster here. (This wouldn't be true if the opinion is on a field where that poster is an expert.)

My post contains the hypothesis that you disrespect the aggregate opinions of the collection of individuals here to the point where you take opposition by the crowd as confirmation that you are on the right track.

EDIT: I also imply that you might have problems telling the difference between actual bullying and simply being massively outnumbered.

TBH, 2+2 posters are far from a random sample of the population. In order for the "wisdom of the crowd" heuristic to be true (especially IRT contentious socio-political topics...) you'd need there to be more diversity here. What we've got is 90% liberal-leaning young adult white American males. That's not conducive to your theory holding true.

I'm using a scenario where the population=2+2 politards and that the aggregate opinion of that population is going to perform better than any single member of that population. Unless that single member is me, of course.

and politics is a far from random sample of 2+2ers, and the group that is in question here is a small vocal subset of politics which is largely self-selecting

Even then it appears to be a dubious 'accusation'.

IDK how you might define "perform better," given that...again...the overwhelming majority of the most vocal posters here are left leaning young white American men.

What you'll get is consistently liberal responses from the group. I guess if you define "perform better" as being liberal-natured solutions to socio-political problems, then yeah, I guess it holds true.

Man, you're not very bright.

I made it pretty clear that I make my judgements based on a person's actions and my interpretation of them. That's exactly what I did here too.

It's exactly the same process as calling someone racist.

Maybe it would help if you just prepended:

"The following post is what jjshabado thinks based off of his personal observations. He has no insight into other peoples' souls so it's possible he might be wrong."

to each of my posts.

I don't give high-volume posters more weight than low-volume posters.

It's sad to see gangster rap affect a culture like this, pressing so many young men into drug dealing.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...rested-for-it/

No kidding. Based on his previous statements, I don't think he realizes he does it whenever it reinforces his opinion. I mean, we all probably do this, but should try and avoid it. Here are a couple other examples.

Do you, really?

Even though that's exactly not what was claimed.

I could compile a much longer list, but that would only prove I'm racist

You're going to bat for 'Rap music causes blacks to become criminals'?

I stick to my own point thank you. Either you believe its possible to interpret or you dont.

That requires two different things to be described when communicating not one and clearly so do you when it suits you.

and you do have insight into people's hearts and minds, you just deny it when its more fun.

This just in! Marilyn Manson to blame for Columbine!

Ozzy Osbourne caused me to kill myself.

Chez and Foldn: I enjoy you SMP folks. You guys always bring the lolz.

If we really had no insight into people hearts and minds then why the **** do we care about racism in the first place.

You will notice that you won't be able to get much of a discussion on this point from the bevy of posters who only care to join in when some racist says something ignorant.

Obviously not, and if you've been reading the thread you would know that. I also don't think that is what JC means. And the great thing is we can read his mind, by asking him. We don't have to rely on our own preconceived notions, "dogwhistles," or the like.

Edit:
Btw, from communicating with him ITT, I think your assessment of his view is jaded. I don't think he believes "rap causes blacks to become criminals." I think he clearly believes gangsta rap glorifies violence and mysogenistic behaviour, and that to a certain section of inner-city youth, who are also unlikely to have good parental guidance, it contributes to the problem. I would argue he has a point, but that it's not likely we can practically eliminate gangsta rap, nor should we try. That if it is a contributing factor, it's still a symptom of a much wider problem, and there are many other, more important contributing factors to be addressed that would better solve that problem.

Nope.

That this place is overrun with trolls.

Awesome! Thanks for not disappointing.

Being blinded by preconceived notions goes all ways.

JC is obviously out of touch about popular hip hop, but now we know his concern is for loved ones in his life adopting role models that may not be setting a great example. While JC maybe misinformed, JayZ is no Rev.Run, LL Cool J, Q-tip, MCA, GURU, or Questlove. I find his concern legit and his lack of quality information about hip hop inoffensive.

I'll have to get back to other posts on this thread later.