and they said you had no sense of humour

Certainty means never having to say you are sorry

Then he should make that clear rather than implying we are apologists for some racist view. Then we can just laugh at his ludicrous certainty. I don't see our failure to persuade him of anything as being remotely significant. One of the problems with certainty is it leaves nowhere for thinking.

Given his form I remain skeptical that he didn't fully intend the slur but I'm happy if he wants to correct himself. I wont hold my breath

BTW I'm not even sure I've addressed those particular posts but its still a fair bet that Wookies certainty about what they mean is ludicrous.

I'm happy to provide interpretations of all wookie posts if it helps clear things up. You can call me the Mouth of Wookie

I could also provide interpretations for spankthebadwookie but I would require a nominal fee

He doesn't deserve you.

Unlike Bruce who probably does deserve me

Mr wookie's inability to grasp that philosophers do make 'takes' on many ideas, including deplorable is why he is the thought police. An insincere mind cop.

Took posts out of a philosophy forum and brought them to politics to do a race hustle line dance.

How is that for a hot take on a dead issue?

Meanwhile bigoted poster FlyWf gets to make strawman false equivalence comparing BruceZ to a convicted conservative felon. Has there been any peeps about Fly's bigotry from the usual SJW crew?

Hello?

I mean, if you're comfortable feeling like most every great person from the dawn history was actually a huge scum bucket because slavery has been commonplace until fairly recently, so be it. At least DS was trying to claim Jefferson shoulda known better. It was an interesting back and forth between DS and the crowd with Bruce putting in the most legwork. He wasn't so much apologizing for slavery as he was for Jefferson and other founding fathers. You really have to be jaded not to see that. Lol, when DS started in on Lincoln I almost dropped my phone. I loved that thread.

This is a lie, btw. And it's hard to take you seriously that he wasn't "in favor" of slavery when he suggests that being on any form of government assistance is only a slightly better life than being a slave. No one accused him of being "in favor" of slavery or wanting to bring it back. But his attempts to justify it after the fact were completely racist, and they aren't some novel scholarship. They're echoing Neo-Confederate rhetoric that's existed over a century.

Nah, someone who reveres Lincoln and says he is revolted by slavery, this is not somebody who is in favor of slavery. He's just defending the founding fathers. That doesn't make him any more racist than those defending him.

My defense of BruceZ would be sure it sounds like the standard right wing neo Confederate clap trap with the standard revisionism of history and views on welfare and minorities but that's a legitimate philosophical and political position. They've got National Review authors and everything.

Let the record show a reaction of mocking with partisan code when the mistakes of the partisan arguments are pointed out, bluntly.

Collective, not personal pronoun there, and once again, no one accused him of being in favor of slavery. The manner in which he was defending the founding fathers is precisely why everyone got riled up by those posts.

Mr wookie lies that BruceZ supports slavery, if that is his implication. Considering how immoral slavery is that is a damn dirty lie. Maybe it is not a lie, just a mistake of treating philosophy posts and posters like political pawns.

Edit- Ah no one says he supports slavery, so what is the problem?

So you say with ludicrous certainty, but maybe you are wrong.

having spoken to Bruce a lot more than you I'm fairly sure you are wrong but I'm in favour of it being aired properly or the accusations being dropped. What about you? Or would you rather it was kept at a superficial level.

I wish I'd learned from you guys how to mock better. I chuckle.

We understand why people got riled up. its been acknowledged by Bruce but you seem determined to make more trouble.

I vehemently disagree with BruceZ statements that a lot of individuals with underwater mortgages, trapped work lives and in massive debts are akin to being stripped of human rights, forced to pick cotton all day long, and at any moments notice, could have their wives, children, family sold off to another slave owner.

Huge disconnect there.

Slave owner: "I'll trade you, you can stop being a slave, but on the condition that you and your family will be free, you'll have your own house with an underwater mortgage, your own job that pays you, albeit not a lot, and you'll be in a lot of credit card debt"

Slave: "Nah I like what I got"

The stupid thing is that if Wookie and a few others had just said that it was the manner of the posts that was the problem then there's no issue at all. Everyone agrees.

You're the guys who keep raising the subject.

bwahahahahah

He's actually saying that their justifications are irrelevant and that he's right no matter what sort of explanations or evidence they produce.

I don't know about that. You made an obvious error in not linking this earlier:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/47...64/index3.html

ITT, despising government assistance = supporting slavery

maybe but your still the one making trouble with your slurs and accusations.

and you never respond to anything constructive - always seems a dead give away that to me.