But this is not just a disagreement between you and me. It's a public thread in a public forum. If you can not provide evidence to support your claims then you are waving the white flag for the whole world to see.

Just produce one post and explain your problems with it. I, in turn, will then offer my own thoughts. That's how adult discussions usually go. I may even agree with you. Who knows?

One post. Give it a shot.

Simple:

Whites Privilege.

racial stereotype that has been perpetuated here for years with untold citations of empirical evidence. (I do not think you need a citation that this has occurred)

Blacks Criminality.

racial stereotype that was perpetuated by this brucez guy with numerous attempts to validate using empirical evidence.

Both cases are examples of racism but only one gets the ire of the community the other one is considered enlightened. There is obviously cognitive dissonance going on in this thread because of this contradictory belief that one is racist and the other is not. On one hand, emprical evidence is enough...on the other, no amount of emprical evidence is enough. Your patrons are confused.

For the record, I absolutely do not subscribe to racial profiling its a racist concept has the same logical problem as white privilege or any other concept based on a stereotype.

this, like every other post you've made itt, is just complete bull****

Loooooooool at the idea of white privilege being racism.

Loooooool chez, still waiting for this missing bits.

Braves, where did zic post that?

Using the quote button properly would make that easier to find out.

Or are you just making stuff up as usual because you and the rest of #teamCockroach have an agenda of pure evasive trolling?

You do realize there's a difference between saying something racial against the majority vs the minority, right?

What do you think my agenda is?

I've schooled you in that thread, I'll school you in this one too.

/twoplustwoforums

Evasive trolling, gotcha

Few questions:

Is a racial stereotype racist?

Is it ever okay to tolerate racial stereotypes?

Whats to gain by perpetrating a racist stereotype for several years in order to solve racism?


I do not believe you can condemn racism and perpetrate a racist stereotype, irrelevant of what color is involved.

Well, if you were to read, my criticism were directed at MrWookie and Fly specifically (perpetrating a racist stereotype for years) and zik wanted proof of that. Your question was invalid just like the first one you asked me in my rational thought thread. I'm not going to post the numerous examples over the years of fly going off on privilege and MrWookie doing the same, those were two specific posters I saw in my run through the forums history in regards to privilege.

Thanks for coming back Tom but you seem to have got sucked in to something that zigzag got confused about. It was nothing to do with context which we will never agree on:

Bruce complained that you missed off the question he was answering and the first line of his response. You didn't then add them to your cross-post.

I can understand why you didn't delete the posts as Bruce requested but you could have added those bits as it mattered to Bruce - you didn't think it made any difference to the meaning anyway did you?

imo this was irresponsible and/or careless especially bearing in mind you were taking a post from another forum (is that normal?) - I don't expect you to agree.

edit: if any of that is incorrect then please let me know.

Well, you haven't actually given any evidence, but I will concur that white privilege is widely accepted in this forum as a real thing and it is almost never considered racist to do so. I agree with you on that part! See how easy that was?

However, I must disagree with your assertion that the concept of white privilege is a stereotype, as stereotypes are based on intrinsic qualities like skin color, while privilege is purely an extrinsic thing. As such, that privilege can be shown with ample statistical evidence, something that is done very frequently on the Politics forum to back up claims. I'm not sure if you agree or disagree with that last phrase, as your wording above is ambiguous.

So I remain completely unconvinced by your claims of unaddressed racism in the forum, because your definition doesn't make sense. Perhaps you can explain how empirical observations of white people having more and better opportunities is detrimental to white people.

Its a racial stereotype. Its irrational. Dismissed out of hand no matter how much evidence you have just like racial profiling. Its not hard.

You're looking at it from a very narrow perspective. Your questions very well may be correct, but your conclusion is wrong.

For example : you can make a joke about white people, and then you can make a joke about black people. White people in this country are in a position of power and privilege, so it doesn't hurt them in the least bit. A joke about black people reinforces bad stereotypes in people who actually have the power to make judgments against them.

To further that example : if an 8 year old white child smacks another 8 year old white child, I would think many white people would say something like "they are just being boys". Keep everything the same except now change the child that did the smacking into an 8 year old black child. I think many white people would think "that child is violent, something must be done immediately".

Racial stereotypes and jokes about black males being violent due to bad home lives perpetuates this type of thinking. This is why there is an absolutely huge gap between saying racial things about whites than blacks.

Honestly, you can say anything you want about white people. It doesn't matter - they are the ones in charge. Does it seem fair? Not really, but given a choice, which team would you rather be on?

It's not even close.

What do you think of racial profiling and black criminality?

I think racial profiling is counterproductive because black criminality is not an intrinsic quality. Not sure how your question serves any point you are trying to make. You're going to have to elaborate.

All due respect, I understand the concept perfectly and it sounds great but this is in essence a straw-man and does not address my main contention.

It is a stereotype just like black criminality. Logically, they are exactly the same. Stereotypes are irrational. If you want to make an argument its okay to be irrational in regards to race, I do not agree but to each his own. You cant pass it off as not a stereotype at least be honest.

TomD clearly forgot to include the secret bonus tracks that show BruceZ profusely apologizing for his outbursts and celebrating the contributions of women and minorities to the fields of math and science.

Here's some of the BruceZ material TomD doesn't want you to see:

braves, are you giving examples of how not to think as a counterpoint to your thread in Alta? Because the concepts of black criminality and white privilege are not logically the same thing. They're not even close.

It's amazing that someone who registered in the last two weeks seems to know the extensive posting history of one of the regs.

You are clearly a gimmick account of a banned, racist poster. Go back to Stormfront, you ignorant piece of ****.

But it does. I've admitted they can both be stereotypes, in fact, equally so. The point I'm making is that the repercussions aren't the same.

Can you defeat that argument like an actual human, or at least like a scientist or philosopher? Without mockery, incomplete information, derision, or the argumentative political communication method?

Mockery is excessively argumentative and you have provided an even further than excessive amount to the discussion.