Go away. Come back when you grow up.

There was no sharp political judgement in front of ideas in the setting. Also ideas are largely discussed in SMP with out much, if any, targeted mockery or derision.

You can't help yourself can you? I get you are biased against me and it is obviously somewhat irrational. Maybe time will tell.

I can think of no better setting to discredit Fox News style mistakes than in a setting which doesn't contain much Fox News style behavior.

Oh look, more lies.

That water getting heavy yet?

Would it bother you to be specific about accusations such as lies. Why couldn't have Foldn been slightly mistaken?

That's the part never accepted here, and a fundamental difference between the forums. Here, every argument is taken as personal advocacy, and every post is interpeted in that light. In SMP, most arguments are made for the sake of discussion. Nobody believes, or even really cares where your personal beliefs lie, and they are assumed to be open to change based on the outcome of the argument. I'm not sure I'll ever be able to accept the outcome of determinist view on free will, even though it's plainly the most coherent. I'll continue to try and crack it, and hopefully nobody will assume I'm down with the woo woo*.

*I am, totally.

We had our moments.

Who can forget the 1986 theft act fiasco?

chezlaw, you spent this entire affair alluding to things that you think tom or Wookie did wrong(and their refusal to "take responsibility" for them, even as you consistently refuse to identify what those things are).

OK. Clearly we were never going to get an answer to "what did Tom or Wookie do wrong" from you. But it seemed like we were getting close to a breakthrough when you said that Bruce had done something wrong.

Except, within a few hours,
We're back to Bruce NOT having done anything wrong.

Also, the Trolley Problem is like Intro to Philosophy stuff, it's something many many people have encountered and discussed. Nobody complained about hypothetical posts by Bruce addressing hypotheticals. They complained about his actual posts, that addressed actual events.

I guess I would believe an SMP reg would ignore or laugh mockingly at any criticism of their ideas if I saw it. Though Brian is a little testy at times and does Zeno play a nihilist in the drunk thread?

Lol, FoldN back to the "play acting" excuse.

Why do you diminish this perfectly valid concept and practice?

and although SMP is somewhat non-standard it's not like P is normal.

I do think we forgot where we were at times and it was necessary to be more careful when we applied our approach to more current political type subjects.

LOL building out my grand theory of SMP being an enclave for the aggressively illiterate, the way that they treat every gibberish post as a puzzle whose true meaning can never be known but should be speculated on endlessly....

When that mindset of willful pointlessness is applied to actual coherent posts, like Bruce claiming Ferguson was because of "outside agitators" or his EXTENSIVE history of pro-slavery bull****, the same torrent of guessing at what could possibly be meant occurs. It's all they know.


But given all that, conceding EVERYTHING to you lot... why are you here, then? Go back to your idiot inclusion zone, you guys can ****ing boggle at the majesty of Holocaust denial(So contrarian!) or whatever in peace.

Why are you over here with the educated folks if you're so aggressively uninterested in an educated discussion? There is nobody stopping you from packing up FoldN, Brian, masque, everybody(except duffee LOL) and engaging in nonsensical stream of consciousness riffing back on friendly ground.

Bruce and me didn't speak for quite a while after that one.

Shortly after we resumed arguing this fiasco broke.

And that should settle to concerns of people who are offended by certain types of ideas being openly discussed. I'm happy with the notion of openly dismantling ideas related to prejudice with as little acrimony as possible. Sounds like a win-win in getting simpler understanding of racism's mistakes out in the open.

Aggro with tell caps.

Actually, I find mocking Fly is a little hard to resist. His posting style terribly exposed.

And that's where the mutually exclusive cover stories start tripping over each other. BruceZ was just play acting the role of a racist except he wasn't actually racist and anyway he secretly apologized for the not racist things he allegedly said when he was acting out the role of a racist.

Totally misleading derision.

Just to be clear the only thing exclusive here is the opinion Bruce is a racist being used to make the argument Bruce is a racist using insinuation accusation of a cover story and a nonsensical accusation couched in the phrase "mutually exclusive".

Circular derision arguments don't really diminish the setting, or Bruce's point of view and how those do indeed fit.

spanky, you are the cheese to my macaroni.

Mind citing some examples, MrWookie? (It should be easy, given that Bruce had "a lengthy history of making racist posts.")

Pertaining to the bolded, what say you about kerowo:

Surely, this is unacceptable behavior?

More importantly: How often does "hand wringing and apologizing" away the consequences for illegitimate bans occur on these forums?

The victims of such actions have little chance for recourse, after all. (They're banned!)

IMO, Sklansky should clean house. I doubt he'd have trouble finding more volunteers. (Though, this pool diminishes the longer horrible moderators remain onboard, chasing away potential replacements.)

Tldr is this the same old bull**** or has chez got around to actually showing where Bruce was reasonable, where others were unreasonable, why Bruce couldn't just stfu, what actually should have happened (like "poster x said a and should have said "b") given Bruce remains unbanned or any sort of fact based discussion?

Or failing that did we at least get the 125th different story about what actually happened or at least another masque word salad?

Oh good, proph here to show he has no idea wtf is going on with yet another topic. Lol at mr anarchy whining to the head of 2+2 state about unchained posts

You pulled the night shift tonight, LolsDumTroool?

We can can keep each other company!

I get to be the big spoon, though.