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04-21-2015 , 04:55 PM

#2876

chezlaw

Limey Bastard

Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 48,942

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrWookie

Did you see the part where I endorsed dereds's position?

I thought so. It wasn't clear whether if Bruce satisified this condition:

Quote:

Assuming a need for a moderator arose. The only reason for Bruce to moderate a forum is that he is the best person to moderate that forum. Should he satisfy that condition then yes I would be fine with him moderating again.

and this:

Quote:

Bruce to recognize his racism, apologize to everyone for being a giant ******* and a racist, pledge to be less racist in the future, and then take himself, you, Foldn, and #TeamSMP back to the stinking hole you came from.

then that would be sufficient for you to think it preferable Bruce was here as mod than not here at all?

04-21-2015 , 04:57 PM

#2877

MrWookie

Don't Call Me Meredith

Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 94,159

It would be.

04-21-2015 , 04:58 PM

#2878

LetsGambool

banned

Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 26,568

This ****ing guy, how many times are you going to ask the same question?

You ever going to get to the part where you list a single concrete thing anyone could have done differently?

04-21-2015 , 05:00 PM

#2879

chezlaw

Limey Bastard

Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 48,942

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phone Booth

I give zero **** about who mods and who posts on 2p2 but logically, making BruceZ a moderator after he's already exhibited all the negative qualities of a destructive moderator is akin to hiring a known sexual predator as a nanny or hiring a known serial thief to clean your house.

No it isn't. A thief or a sexual predator can re-offend without the necessary people seeing exactly what is happening almost immediately. Also 15+ years of history is a lot in the plus column when knowing someones character as mod.

I take it you genuinely don't care if Bruce is a mod or not.

04-21-2015 , 05:01 PM

#2880

chezlaw

Limey Bastard

Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 48,942

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrWookie

It would be.

Blimey we got there. Txs.

04-21-2015 , 05:03 PM

#2881

King_of_NYC

betting he never calls me again

Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 4,462

Quote:

Originally Posted by spanktehbadwookie

That might start an argument over what is a fact.

The idea that an accurate portrayal of events which accounts for nearly every reasonable concern has been floating around now for months.

That might be illuminating. Consider the following. Bold has been added

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phone Booth

Choosing a moderator is not like drafting professional athletes, but more like hiring a cleaning professional or a nanny. It's not about the upside and almost entirely about the downside. Any decent poster has the ability to moderate fairly well, just like most people can learn to clean houses or look after toddlers. The question is whether this person will not abuse his position such that whatever good he's doing is completely offset by the damage he's inflicting. BruceZ, as a moderator, has already accumulated significant negative accomplishments and exhibited numerous negative qualities:

A long history of posting fact racist garbage opinion
A long history fact of attacking others opinion
Abusing his position opinion to threaten and silence others this characterization is fact?
Attacking other mods in moderators' forum fact?
Refusing to apologize for his behavior fact
Refusing to gracefully step down as a moderator fact to avoid controversy. opinion
Having a motley crew of "supporters" fact (although "motley" is subjective) who pollute various forums opinion to bring him back with terrible arguments. opinion

I give zero **** about who mods and who posts on 2p2 but logically, making BruceZ a moderator after he's already exhibited all the negative qualities opinion of a destructive moderator is akin to hiring a known sexual predator as a nanny or hiring a known serial thief to clean your house. opinion

No offense intended fact

Last edited by King_of_NYC; 04-21-2015 at 05:08 PM. Reason: fixed my b's

04-21-2015 , 05:03 PM

#2882

zikzak

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 22,198

Quote:

Originally Posted by +rep_lol

chez, i'll chill with the name calling since now i'm pretty convinced that you're mentally deficient

He definitely has some insanely off-the-carts obsession issues and a couple serious cognitive faults, but he seems to be enjoying himself quite a bit in these exchanges.

04-21-2015 , 05:03 PM

#2883

spanktehbadwookie

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 19,374

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrWookie

But what if that thief says that he is sorry that everyone is too stupid to see that he wasn't stealing, he was just pretending to take something that wasn't his?

Can you make a much more specific and non- metaphoric moral position on the matter? Because this post simply equates Bruce to a thief, which sounds like an appeal to emotion related to moral feeling about theft.

As far as I can tell you have only supported your moral argument by stating 'that's racist'. What I would like see described is why and how discussing ideas in a science or philosophy forum is immoral?

04-21-2015 , 05:04 PM

#2884

MrWookie

Don't Call Me Meredith

Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 94,159

OJ Simpson went almost 47 years without killing anyone. Is that how we know his character? Maybe we should make him a mod?

04-21-2015 , 05:05 PM

#2885

Anais

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 6,663

Quote:

Originally Posted by chezlaw

Blimey we got there. Txs.

So that's it? Thread over? 8 month temper tantrum over? You and the rest of your cockgobbling friends will retreat to your super secret butt-buddy lair in mom's basement?

04-21-2015 , 05:07 PM

#2886

spanktehbadwookie

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 19,374

Can we skip to patently absurd appeals to emotion and move forward?

04-21-2015 , 05:07 PM

#2887

AsianNit

banned

Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 9,881

Quote:

Originally Posted by spanktehbadwookie

It's not moot, we have a serious and unsettled conflict involving racism in the community.

The quality of each involved individual's opinions and behaviors are a factor in whether or not elements of the conflict can be openly settled.

It seems pretty clear that no consensus can be reached. At best, we might be able to find agreement on the rules of engagement.

I think the compromise that makes no one completely happy is that at least some posts that people like Fly or dids think is racist should be tolerated, to their consternation, while accusations that the people who post those things are racists should be tolerated, to the consternation of people like you.

Nobody gets what they want and we have vigorous conflict. (Well, I get what I want.)

04-21-2015 , 05:07 PM

#2888

Phone Booth

veteran

Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 3,366

Quote:

Originally Posted by chezlaw

No it isn't. A thief or a sexual predator can re-offend without the necessary people seeing exactly what is happening almost immediately.

So can BruceZ! Why can't he abuse the information he gets to see (ip address? email address?) as a mod without Mat or other mods finding out?

Edit: not to mention that Mat & Co can't read every post or review every mod decision, etc.

Edit2: also, one can install surveillance cameras everywhere in the house.

04-21-2015 , 05:17 PM

#2889

zikzak

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 22,198

I feel unfulfilled. Lost had a better ending than this.

04-21-2015 , 05:20 PM

#2890

chezlaw

Limey Bastard

Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 48,942

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phone Booth

Ok I'm so sure he never did those things that I missed them out. It still applies to everything he actually did. Mat & co don't have to read every post. It trouble happens it's going to be noticed.

04-21-2015 , 05:22 PM

#2891

MrWookie

Don't Call Me Meredith

Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 94,159

Bruce was spewing racist tripe for years before anyone noticed.

04-21-2015 , 05:23 PM

#2892

spanktehbadwookie

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 19,374

Quote:

Originally Posted by AsianNit

May just need more time for tempers to clam down, meanwhile we can identify who is participating to simply perpetuate conflict and observe their behavior.

04-21-2015 , 05:29 PM

#2893

chezlaw

Limey Bastard

Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 48,942

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrWookie

Bruce was spewing racist tripe for years before anyone noticed.

So you say but I don't think even you have claimed he was modding probability in racist manner.

04-21-2015 , 05:30 PM

#2894

MrWookie

Don't Call Me Meredith

Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 94,159

Quote:

Originally Posted by chezlaw

So you say but I don't think even you have claimed he was modding probability in racist manner.

OK.....

04-21-2015 , 05:31 PM

#2895

zikzak

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 22,198

Oh phew, it's not over after all. I was worried for a second there.

04-21-2015 , 05:31 PM

#2896

Anais

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 6,663

cheezer, it's over. the snitch has been caught, the field has been emptied. the great bruce-fiasco has concluded

04-21-2015 , 05:34 PM

#2897

metaname2

self-banned

Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 3,996

Phone Booth brings up a good point - there is basically nobody anywhere who gives two ****s about who gets to mod the probability form. Literally nobody has ever even spent two seconds thinking about it. Why I didn't even know there was a probability forum!

The fact that your boy managed somehow to get fired from the world's least important job is probably not something he wants his friends constantly advertising. That's just a guess though. Maybe you're doing God's work, idk.

Last edited by metaname2; 04-21-2015 at 06:01 PM.

04-21-2015 , 05:47 PM

#2898

Paul D

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 14,689

Cheeselaw is one needy mofo.

04-21-2015 , 05:47 PM

#2899

chezlaw

Limey Bastard

Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 48,942

Quote:

Originally Posted by metaname2

Phone Booth brings up a good point - there is basically nobody anywhere who gives two ****s about who gets to mod the probability form. Literally nobody has ever even spent two seconds about it. Why I didn't even know there was a probability forum!

The fact that your boy managed somehow to get fired from the world's least important job is probably not something he wants his friends constantly advertising. That's just a guess though. Maybe you're doing God's work, idk.

It is only a gambling site that prides itself on being based on probability among other fine things.

btw Bruce also modded:

poker theory
other gambling
beginner

I'm sure that makes as little difference to you as it does to me.

04-21-2015 , 05:54 PM

#2900

+rep_lol

banned

Join Date: Sep 2013 Posts: 14,374

Quote:

Originally Posted by zikzak

He definitely has some insanely off-the-carts obsession issues and a couple serious cognitive faults, but he seems to be enjoying himself quite a bit in these exchanges.

i think he's on the spectrum for sure. obsessive-compulsive repetitive behaviors with extremely minimal social awareness...but he lies a lot, and i dont think that's a trait commonly associated with autists.

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