and that is why you have a significant responsibility for the fiasco. There is nothing remotely reasonable about the level of apology you demand.

No reasonable way forward was acceptable to you.

So you still can't quote it? Why is that?

Oh, well this is at least a new direction perhaps. Is your thesis now not that Bruce made an apology that we should have accepted, but instead he never should apologize because there's nothing he said or did that was wrong?

I'm sure you have a link to Wookie's unreasonable demand for an apology.

Or was Bruce wrong in certain posts (which ones?) but it's completely unreasonable to ever expect him to apologize for those?

REBOOT

The problem is MrWookie excludes or diminsishes information that doesn't support his opinion and that is his basis for making irrational demands. He just piles on with the accusation and argumentative behavior and hopes his syphocants keep following up with mockery and derision target his critics.

Speaking of mr wookie partisans, I see rjoe is late to derision and accusation pile, did you say hi to smokey, Anais, Ctryi and replol before plunging in? Man you guys have an epic history now of this behavior. It's hard to escape.

Can the person that reads Spanks post explain how asking for a quote is accusatory or derisive? Or maybe explain those words to him?

You haven't been reading this thread, or are not keeping up smartly with the information contained. Or you are making a very subtle accusation that mr Wookies opinion and related demands for apology doesn't exist. A combination of these is also likely.

Whatever your exact condition and motives, it's clear your argument here lacks substance and is needlessly argumentative.

Lol if there are any of these people.

Comprehension accusations have been thoroughly discredited. This is needlessly argumentative behavior. Calm down, and think.

Until your recent statement I had tended to assume you didn't think it was a great result for 2+2 to have alienated Bruce.

Bruce did make apologies in the mod forum, maybe insufficient but given he had been a major contributor/part of 2+2 for 15+ years (without incident afaik until the fiasco) it was reasonable to see how things looked after he had calmed down.

How about you quote what Bruce offered that was so much more reasonable so we can see how much better that would have been for 2+2.

Why does it need to be quoted? It doesn't explain the one-sideness of your opinion or give you reason to exclude or diminish information contained in other people's viewpoints. Seriously we know Bruce was apologetic, we know apologies happened. This has been known for months.

This isn't a political exercise. We are not citing evidence to dispel climate science denial. This situation involves actual humans. Why do you treat it like an unserious forum game for your own presumed selfish amusement?

I cite your behavior and your posts as a reason to stop apology trolling. It is anti-social and anti-humane since we are dealing with actual humans, not partisan abstracts.

if it is as he said in the mod forum, then there's no way he can quote it ldo

Whatever you or others here think of what he offered in the mod forum the fact remains that he was a major contributor/part of 2+2 for 15+ years (without incident afaik until the fiasco).

After the 3 months we would all have found out for certain whether he had understood what he did wrong. That's what mattered - if Bruce could return to contributing without incident then any reasonable person would have been fine with that.

He still can!

Nothing says "stable, mature individual suitable for moderation duties" like needing a 3 month cooling down period for a few offhand internet comments.

In the mean time you can explain your behavior and support your opinions and criticism of your opinions with more than excessive argumentation. Obviously plenty of time is available.

Mocking, derisive, misleading, and uninformative.

You were successful in alienating him from 2+2. There was no good reason for you to seek to do that.

I'd still be very willing to accept you really think it would have been better for 2+2 if he had stayed and demonstrated in practice that he had understood what he did wrong.

That's the most incredible part of all of this. What does chez think you did to Bruce? You didn't demod him. You didn't ban him.

You apparently did not personally accept an imaginary apology, but even if there had been a sincere apology, what does that matter?

But here's a fun question for chezlaw:
Chezlaw, what did Bruce do wrong?

Because this thread isn't serious at all. Someone was called racist, lost mod powers, and stopped posting. Afaict the "fiasco" was much ado about nothing, and it's hilarious that Chez keeps saying it without a trace of irony. Anyone else says fiasco itt and it's tongue in cheek, see Duker's book Cornelius.

What did Bruce do wrong?

As mentioned, he could have stayed and he can still come back without incident. Pretty sure any politics posters who strayed into SMP and called him a racist would be snap-banned by Zeno or masque or whoever.

The good outcome in wookie's eyes is that someone who said (even in your eyes) horrific things and went off the rails after a racism accusation is no longer a mod. I think it would be a good outcome if he came back and continued helping people with math/probability, but as we know he's so devastated by being called a racist by estrogen laden liberal butt buddies that he won't be doing that.