Had a feeling. I parked there this morning and when i left around 2 PM they had it blocked off and a guard had to let me out. Guess I'll start playing at Derby.

They have made things worse by offering a Free Parking Area and then taking it away.

They're repaving the front lot to make more spots was my estimation


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Yeah, pretty sure the attendant BJBalls spoke to either was dumb to what was going on or just stated there is no free parking but didn't elaborate on the fact it was in the process of paving the lot.

My god. What a joke.

I really encourage everyone here to go to other casinos for the next several months and see if they get the message. At this point I just genuinely want them to be punished and feel foolish for their greed

I hope nobody fools themselves with the idea that regs are gonna disappear and the games will somehow get so much better that it makes up for the fees. Many of the bad regs will probably stay, and there will be the standard few whales, and that's all you've really got going for you. The action is guaranteed to dry up. It's bad for all of us, and the only way to enact any sort of change is to boycott the place until they get the message.

It'll be hard to get a feel for what is going to happen til November or December. In general September/October tend to be very slow since summer vacations end and kids are back in school with no snowbirds yet.

Well, I've been playing live down here for about 7 years and never seen Derby and the Hard Rock have the same number of tables playing, ever... and that happened tonight...so obviously there's some effect already....

I played the Derby player appreciation tonight and there was a dealer at my table who claimed he was a thr monday night and got validated. Another player at same table said he called and they say no thats not the case.

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I didn't experience much nitty action. Soft, loose play and some pretty large pots were played for. Retirees weren't afraid to dig into their pockets when busting either or going to ATM. I will go back again on a Friday night and see how it is, but there were a few of us younger guys and we basically stayed out of each others way for the most part.

Spoke to two different attendants, both said its permanently closed.

What probably happened is they realized on day 1 that people left the Garages after being told about the $10 fee to go find a free spot.

1.This allows people to circle around to find a free spot and if not finding one gives people time to say to themselves i am not paying $10 and leaving.

2.I am sure the free lot was packed and THR starting thinking about all the revenue they were missing out on.I also bet there day 1 Revenues were probably a lot less than they expected and they panicked.

Checking Bravo and Poker Desk there's currently 13 tables at Derby, 3 at Silks, 7 at Daytona...THR Poker is showing 4.

In recent times don't ever remember Derby having 3X the tables running as THR. Don't know if this is just a coincidence or the start of a larger pattern resulting from trying to squeeze the parking fees out of customers.

The poster who said that it's tough to know for sure what's going to happen until the snowbirds come back has a point as THR is usually slow in the summer and early fall.

IMO it's highly unlikely that there will be any effect from poker players boycotting the room. THR's upper management, with the exception of the current poker room director, doesn't care about poker. Now if you could get a bunch of Elites who are both poker players and who play in the pits and slots to boycott that might be a different story, but their parking is comped so there's no reason for them to boycott.

This is a revenue grab from customers by THR plain and simple. They even copied the corporate double speak about upgrading "security" and "enhancing" customer experience that MGM used when they implemented paid parking in LV a few months ago, no originality at all, LOL.

My guess is that THR believes that they'll get a bunch of negative pushback from customers for a few months but that eventually the desire to "gambool, gambool" will overcome the anger at the parking fees. Since they have a monopoly in the market they believe that the parking fees will eventually become the new "normal" since folks who want to play in the pits and slots don't have a local choice. It is what it is.

I was actually at Derby last night. First time I've played cash there in a lonnnnng time. Games were very good from my perspective even though just one night sample. I don't really know how full the room typically is since my experience is mostly Hard Rock so I don't know what's typical. Either way I see no issue playing there regularly as opposed to THR if the games are consistently as good as I saw last night.

But I did just look at Bravo as well and (2) 1-2NL & (1) 2-5NL at Hard Rock currently running is definitely worth noting. Even at 11am that is not normal. I'd say you're ALREADY seeing a shift of players even if it's just temporary FU to THR for the parking situation.

Can anyone clarify how you earn points towards Elite status at SHR? Their website says you need 3750+ "status credits". Is this the same thing as comp dollars?

Just checked Bravo and Poker Desk again and the tables at each are Derby 15, Silks 4, Lucky's 5 (lol Lucky's), Daytona 21...THR poker 5...

You could be right, short term shift to other rooms. My guess is that they eventually come back to THR because they can't stay away, which is what I'm guessing THR management is banking on for the larger player pool outside of poker.

Yeh at 1:10pm to have just (1) 2/5 NL & (4) 1/2NL games going is lol. Usually anywhere from 2-3 2/5's at this time and atleast 6+ 1/2 I'd say. Also just the (1) 2/4 limit. Like I said Derby was pretty busy last night although I don't know if that was just a normal crowd since I rarely play there. I'd like to see if Silks has a good increase as well. They rarely run 2/5 these days but the $100-$500 1/3 game could benefit.

It is interesting to see Derby with more Poker Tables running that THR and Daytona with twice as many running.This does not include their table games.Only time will tell how this plays out.

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The general rule of thumb is that casinos don't care about poker. They have it mainly as a courtesy to the customer and to try and bring in additional folks. Ultimately though it makes little money. Management obviously knew they had competition as far as nearby poker and didn't care and charged for parking anyway. My guess is that if the only portion of profits that suffer is poker they won't do a thing. If they have to close the room then so be it.

I don't believe for a minute that poker rooms don't make a ton of money. Maybe not as much per square foot of floor space as table games, but they still make a killing.

I think what BMOL means is that poker rooms are not typically as profitable for casinos as other games where players play against the house. While the poker room at THR is profitable, it does not have the same profit margins as slots or pit games.

I've heard from reliable sources that the power that be at THR really don't care much about poker, it's more or less an afterthought (other than the poker room director who cares a lot). So it's doubtful that upper management took into consideration, or they did take into consideration and they don't care, that implementing parking fees might eventually hurt or kill poker at THR.

Think about the room's placement in the casino. The poker room used to be where the high limit slot room is located to the right of the food court. The room was very open and inviting to the casino floor as far as getting walk up traffic from casino patrons.

They moved the room down a long corridor that is used by employees with minimal signage for the room, away from the casino floor. Now the room is moving to the where the bus terminals are currently located under the S. garage, totally removed from the rest of the casino...coincidence?

When is the darn thing moving anyway? I have to think while the location may not be better the room itself will have to be...or maybe a bit warmer!

I understand that the poker room doesnt make as much money as table games, but if you have a 100,000 square foot building (just an example) and you put in enough table games and slots to fill the building but you dont have enough customers to play all of those table games and slots, you have two choices.

1) Have 80,000 sqft of space making $5 per hour per sqft and 20,000 sqft of space making $0 per hr per sqft (because those games are always empty

2) Put in a poker room and the dead 20,000 sqft of space making $2 hr per sq ft.

Which do you think results in more total money? If I have a store that sells skate boards and T-shirts and the T-shirts make good money but not as much money as the skate boards, Im still going to manage the T-shirt area correctly. Its still profit.

If THR management doesnt care at all about the poker room then they are idiots who need to be replaced by the board of directors. Its pretty simple.

If total casino profits drop after calculating in the extra profits from the parking fees, they will do away with the parking fees or the board will do away with them. I visited Tampa recently and enjoyed playing at Derbly and Silks a lot more than THR anyway. I think you guys should all leave THR.

(dollar amounts are just examples. I have no idea how much per sqft they make)

According to Bravo -- as of 9am this morning 1 table open and no list at HR and 4 holdem tables open at Derby. I've never seen it that empty at HR. As of 9:30 2 tables open at HR, both 1/2, 5 at Derby.