I appreciate what you are saying, but I'll avoid games where there is a very high likelihood of collusion.

Does THR frequently have all tables in use? If not, I'd ask the floor to open another game and exclude the alleged cheaters from it if they're not willing to alter their behavior. I'd also get the gaming commission involved if management isn't willing to monitor and correct the issue.

There are usually 1-2 games running in the 4-table high limit section.

I don't play PLO but I'm hard-pressed to find enough dealers per shift who could handle dealing PLO. It's a slow enough game as is, I can't imagine 3/4 of the dealer pool getting out more than 5 hands a down.

THR doesn't have all the tables frequently in use. But the only way to exclude the alleged cheaters would be to open a private game which costs more...

How much more?

A private game is $150/hr. I honestly can't remember the rake at THR for 5/5 PLO.

Only twice as this is not my game nor is THR my home base. I was at a 2/5 with a LAG reg who talked a lot (younger guy) about getting a 5/10 going but ended up called for the 5/5 PLO. He was having a great night as he was the night prior however was very sloppy with his body language so I wanted to follow him to that game as I had picked up an advantage.

I was only looking for more information as I play in plenty of games where soft collusion occurs so the level of collusion really does matter. The posts in between this response and your post which I'm responding to do show that there is a serious problem in this game. You simply don't be so blatant as to purposely fold out of turn however I've seen plenty of times the playing making what could be constituted as preparing to fold but not actually doing it out of turn. You don't show your cards to another player or discuss what you have when there is still action.

If management is unwilling to get involved, this seems like a great option. Make it $8/half hour/person and the host throws in additional $6 and you're there. Once you lock those clowns out of the game, they'll change their M.O. or take their scam elsewhere.

I agree that it could work. It would require some organization and there would be some hurdles to overcome. There is a core group of 5/5 PLO players that could organize this, I'm not 1 of them. The 5/5 PLO has a lot of regs but there are also quite a few recreational players. The last thing I'd want to do is unintentionally exclude the casual players bc they see a private PLO is running so they think they aren't welcome.

Logged in to see what has been happening at THR and consider coming out to play some PLO. Sad to see the cheating/colluding is still happening out there in that game. I'm back in town for awhile, but I guess I'll stay in the private games.

Gonna try to play 5/10 holdem or 5/10 PLO all weekend. Get at me if you want to play either

If anybody still reads this from THR management, what is the deal? Every time there is a big tourny on weekends, there is a massive shortage of dealers.

Yesterday was the 2nd day of the little slick with 180 players. The number of players was not a mystery. So 18 tables were running this tourny. I get there at noon, and there are about 10 cash game tables and about 150 people spread across the waiting lists for cash games. This happens all the time. Why are you staffing Sunday afternoons with barely more than the number of tables running as a Tuesday at 4am?

Honestly, could it be they generally are not getting as many people most days? I am only at THR several times a year, usually a week every 4 months when I'm in town for business. I have noticed in the last 12-18 months business seems down in the poker room. I was there in February and it was quite busy, but otherwise my last 5-6 visits, notably the ones in June and September this year it was dead in there. Even Fri/Sat night in September there was 10-15 open tables which never used to happen 3-4 years ago. I remember at points during the late afternoon only 1 2-5 game going. And THR Hollywood did not have events during any of my visits either, I do know that kills the Tampa room but it was not a factor any of the times.

Apples and oranges.

Snowbirds are starting to land now, which should increase traffic. The summer is slow because they're all up north.

And the major point being, if they looked at the previous few Sundays (during NFL season), there were certainly way more than 10 cash games running at 1pm. So by scheduling only enough dealers to run 10 cash games is just dumb. If the tourny was not a day 2 and they had more entrants than expected that would be ok too. But the number of entrants was known for at least a few days.

And it's not a new issue. Every single time I find myself at THR while a big 2nd part tourny is running, they are short on dealers with 150+ people on the lists. Like it's a total surprise.

No doubt. It's pretty well established that, while improved, the room management leaves a lot to be desired.

What's the rake on 2-5+ and what are max buyins for 2-5 and 5-10?

It's all in the OP of this thread.

20.20$ round trip flights from tallahassee on Silverair.com. See you guys mid december

Oh ok, it has never changed?

We really get ****ed with our 14$ max rake for 2/5 in Montreal lol

It was updated less than 2 months ago. Can you see the full thread title? In case you can't - "Seminole Hard Rock Hotel & Casino (Tampa, FL) -- FAQ in OP, updated 2015.09.28"

Cut him some slack he's Canadian after all.

I kid, I kid.

Hey--don't make fun of our Canadian friends!

From National Geographic:

each year, as the fall leaves drop to the ground and the air turns cold, tens of thousands of Canadian Rounders begin the long migration to the warm and welcoming waters of Tampa FL. At the same time, driven by their own instinct for survival, FL Grinders awake from their summer hibernation in anticipation of the arrival of the Rounders from the far North. What occurs over the next three months is a true spectacle of nature as Tampa becomes innudated with Rounders. The Grinders, while outnumbered, seek to feast on the Rounders who are often confused and disoriented by the strange environs of FL.

But it is not a one-sided battle, as many of the Canadian Rounders have made this same journey for many years, and are the tough and intelligent survivors of the life and death struggles. They seek out the young and overconfident Grinders, who are unfamiliar with the true abilities of the wiley Rounders. They also feast on aging FL Rounders ( of which there are many) who can remember past years of plenty thanks to The Rounders from the North, but are no longer quick enough to keep up.

The battle sways back and forth until the Canadian Rounders, by some innate sixth sense, (and the completion of the Super Bowl) realize the tempertures back home have begun to warm, and start the journey back home. The FL Grinders, seeing their feeding grounds quickly disappearing, return to their summer hibernation and await the first signs of the next winter to awake them with great anticipation of continuing this timeless battle once again.

that was.... beautiful. i'm sincerely impressed. and it's true! without even really realizing it hardly played at all over the summer and am now getting the urge to play a ton. and all i can think of "man, all the tourists and snowbirds will be here soon!"

Its still remarkable though that a city with 4-5 mill in population and more or less no other legit poker rooms can only have 5-10 tables running in the middle of summer during peak hours, even if a portion of the seasonal population is not in town. To me it speaks more to the fact this game is on a downward spiral still since the online ban in 2011. I used to live in a city of 200K and we regularly had 10-15 tables running most days with another casino only 30 miles away.