Ugh I've been staying at Borgata instead of Water Club for exactly this reason. I can kind of understand why they don't want to give free WiFi though. They don't want people to stay in their rooms- they want them downstairs gambling. And if you do want to use WiFi you're gonna ****ing pay for it.

Pardon me for my ignorance here folks,

This is my first post on two+two. I have enjoyed reading everyone's comments for several weeks now. What a great find this forum is. Glad I found a place to connect with my fellow players. Now, to the question...

Havn't played much NL Holdem in AC. Charlestown, Del Park, Dover, etc being from DC all these places are closer. However the glitz and glamor of AC is hard to stay away from. Looking at comps, just wondering how the Borgata works? Can you swipe your players club at the table, such as Caesars, or another method? If not, anyone know of any AC casino's where this is the standard method? What is the $/hour comp rate. I am usually a 2/5 or 5/10 player.

Thank you in advance for your help everyone!

There is no glitz and glamour of AC lol. Your action will mostly be limited to the Borgata, especially since it is the only place that spreads 5/10. You receive a player's card and then swipe it for you at the table. Comps for both 2/5 and 5/10 are $2/hr.

Thanks for the response brother. Glitz and glamour was a short way of saying "lots of places to eat and more poker rooms to choose from." To me, its worth the extra 1.5 hr drive to have the option of playing at 10 different card rooms and eating at 100+ restaurants, rather than one hole in the whole in the middle of no where. Plus, the comps AC provides compared to the casino's I mentioned earlier will more than pay for the extra gas money and tolls to get to AC.

Gotcha. Use the search function if you need to know anything else in this thread. If you put in good length sessions at 5/10 you will start getting comps any night of the week.

At 1/2 IMO the best amount of people at a table are ranked as follows:

9
6
8
(small dropoff)
10
5
(huge dropoff)
7
(huge dropoff)
4-1 (if it gets down to 4, table breaks)

Even though 10 handed is not as good as 9 or 8 handed, it makes the table become 7 handed less often, and 7 handed sucks because its basically 6 handed play but you pay full rake. Also, its kind of rare that you are playing 10 handed at 1/2 because everyone just sets their chips down and then wanders around because fish like to swim so they can strech their fins.

(IDK how 2/5's time rake works, but im assuming that its full rake either way, and the tables are more full since people dont wander off when paying for the time, in which case yes, I would prefer 9 handed, although its not a big deal.)

haha yeah, that irritated me when i first found that out, but then realized it makes sense.

Where did the big game go?

9 players > 10 players because

players have more space at the table
slightly speeds up the game
removes a bit of nittiness from the game which is good for everyone (even the nits)
most rooms are changing from 10-max to 9-max. poker is just changing to a 9-max game and it's worth something to keep up. (remember limit hold 'em use to be played 11-handed and was invented so you deal in 20+ players, so it definitely trends towards playing shorter as time goes on)

if these are outweighed by the table getting short and breaking slightly more often, then fine, only make timed games 9 max. but i have to point out it's in Borgata's best interest to have less players in raked games and more players in timed games.


and I completely disagree with your optimal amount of players at the table, and so will most people because it's completely subjective. (for me it's 6,5,4,7,3,2,8,9,10 and entirely because I think that's from most profitable to least profitable for me)

does anyone know what the comp rate is for $ 1/2 at Borgata?? I thought it was $2 per hour or something?? I was wondering if that changed cause I went there recently and played for like 6 hours and only had like $2-3 on my card in comps when i checked at the food court, then the next day I played a solid 13+ hours and only had about $4 and change....did they alter the rates or did my time get messed up due to the dealers not putting me in correctly or something?

1/2 is $1.50/hr. They must have not signed you in or something for the whole time.

Another place that is visually a lot of fun, but has a lot of blind shots is McCulloughs emerald green, about 25 min outside of the city. High hdcp may have some trouble here.

There is also the links at the end of brigantine not bad for a newbie, and a 10 or 15 min drive, vert close to AC.

Other options, about 30 min away is the Renaut winery course, I personally think a high hdcp could enjoy themselves here and it's a beautiful place. Plus you can tour the winery and get wine or lunch or both.

Twisted dune is evil hard toward golfers of all skills and I would avoid unless you love crying.

We all knew it was too good to be true ... it is a major source of revenue for almost every hotel/casino...and there is no way they would part ways with such an easy money.

Any chance Stan we could get a change on buy the button or straddling? Cause that would be awesome!

I believe that is up to the NJCCC to decide that. If Borgata does it, then all the other rooms in AC will follow possibly.

Ranking 4, 3, or 2 higher than the bottom is inherently wrong because thats when the table breaks. other than that, more power to ya.

Implementing 9 max at timed rake games would be good for us, I agree with that, but it is bad for the casino. its a 10% loss of pure profit. Equally as many tables, as much space, and as many dealers and floor people for 10% less rake taken. Would you take a $1 an hour comp cut to play 9 max? I dont think most people would.

grr that's really really disappointing to read.

you'll find as you move up in ranks, games don't break when they are short. In fact games are more likely go on longer if they are short.

I'd MUCH MUCH rather play 3-5 handed hold'em than 9-10. Especially in limit, but even in n/l. More hands = more mistakes = more money.

If the game breaks, there aren't 4, 3, or 2 players, there are zero. So I think my ranking system is fine.

And I already pointed out that Borgata wants its timed games 10-handed.

Stan
Re: The Borgata Spring Open, the Schedule shows starting stacks as follows:
Event 11 (4/11) 200+30 -20k starting stack

Event 19 (4/18) 170+30 -25k starting stack

Is the shedule correct? (i.e. a 25k starting stack for 170+30- but only a 20k starting stack for the 200+30 tournament)

Just asking cos I need to choose which ONE to play (since I cant take both days off work)

No more free wifi is ridiculous, you guys shouldn't just handwave that away. It's terrible policy to start charging for something that was free, especially something as easy to provide as wifi. Foxwoods has free wifi in their rooms. I called and complained tonight and the woman told me it was due to wiring while all the construction was happening. Obviously this doesn't make any sense. Everyone was talking about it at the tables--people feeling they are being nickel and dimed. That's not a good way to make your customers feel.

Hey I am here in NJ on business and hav the next 2 days to myself. Seeing as im only a hour away from AC I thought id head to the borgata to play cards. I have a couple questions am hoping someone can answer them.

1) Parking.. I am driving a truck with latters on top so is there a good place to park without ne clearance issues.. like outdoor lot? Ne tips?

2) Ive never been to AC before, is the boardwalk within walking distance? Ne tips on checking that out?

3) poker room location. Id like to park near it if possible, and can i get a rewards card at the table by giving the floor my licence? Or do i have to goto a kiosk to get one?

And is that uncapped 1/2 game still running?

Any other pointers would be appreciated thanks!

In reverse order of importance why they are charging you:

1. Bandwith charges are way up and nobody is waching PPV Tv.

2. You are most likely getting a free room - how much more do you want?

3. In the coming months the B will most like see a revenue drop how much more money do you want from them?

You are the one nickel and diming.

I liked the free internet too, but it was never "officially" free. The only way I found out about it was reading it here, and no one was ever told it was free by anyone official, they either heard about it from others or just happened to try it.

There were always notices saying how much it cost. I don't think it was because of "wiring", but it definately was because of construction. They obviously changed the internet system on the new floors but hadn't yet finished the new payment system, so they didn't charge for awhile until they got the new system finished. I always was 99% sure they would eventually charge for it again, I just hoped it wouldn't be until they were finished renovating every floor.

The outdoor lot would be fine for you, and it is right next to the poker room.

You can get a players card from the clerk at the same desk where you put your name on the game list.

The boardwalk is not really within a reasonable and safe distance from the Borgata, but it is a very short drive.

There was never an uncapped 1/2 game at the Borgata, and I have never seen one in AC.