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Originally Posted by MacGuyV
I'll try the cliff notes version since I have work today:
1. Ripped looking meathead accuses old reg of "string-checking", demands he win a bet since he had the best hand, immediately calls over the floor, old reg just gives him $20 anyway even though the dealer didn't award it to him.
2. Long haired dude replaces meathead and gets kicked off the table after playing 1 hand (just threw his cards or something when he mucked).
3. Asian reg acts out of turn and throws his cards when he learns his bet must stand after getting c/r'd by the fish (who was on a sick heater).
Some of the old regs definitely like like to angle-shoot with their "fake betting" moves, but it's more pathetic to me than anything else - I just can't imagine making a big scene and getting angry about it.
I'd like to add my story on top of this as well since it is related to the meat head. By meat head, I assume you are talking about the White man with huge biceps and cut sleeves.
Regarding MacGuy's post, I was sitting at a different table and action on our table stopped momentarily because there was so much commotion going on over there.
Ultimately after about what seemed like ten to fifteen minutes of complaining and not agreeing with the floor, the meathead was taken aside somewhere else so that play could resume.
On June 27, Sunday at around 5 AM I am playing with the meathead on the table where the following ensues:
It is headsup between a Black man from Georgia and meathead. Black man is in Seat 7 and meathead in Seat 8. Table is $5/$10 NL Holdem with about 9 players.
Turn comes and the Black man is first to act. He plays with his chips several times, later stating to the floor that he was thinking of what to do.
By playing, he is cutting the stack of chips he has in his hand by half and restacking on top of it, and occasionally taking the whole stack, lifting it up about three inches, and landing it on the table.
Meathead is watching him do this several times, and assumes the Black man checks, which is understandable, then verbally asks him if he checks. Black man replies with a "no". Black man then plays with his chips again but this time he lifts it a lot higher about 15 inches and then lands it on the table again.
Then, meathead motions a check by pointing his index finger in a circle. Black man sees this and then he bets $400, where meathead goes ballistic and says that what the Black man was doing is wrong, and that by all means it is a check in any kind of ruling.
They argue shortly before the dealer does the right thing and calls floor immediately.
Floor listens to the story, and decides to give the Black man a warning not to play with his chips, which is absolutely appalling considering the Black man was showing him how he was playing with his chips, which isn't entirely obvious as a check.
Not only that, but note two things:
1) Meathead asks Black man if he checks, to which he verbally responded "no". Even after the Black man plays with his chips some more after, I don't understand why meathead would assume a check and check after. He should stay quiet until action is on him. From my point of view it almost seems like meathead knew that the Black man would bet if the meathead checks right after, and I don't see the reasoning behind it, but it almost seemed as if he knew he was going to, and wanted to have this incident happen.
2) If it was an obvious check by the Black man, and since meathead checked right after, dealer would have shown the river before the Black man could bet $400 on the turn.
It's amazing how considering there was a previous incident with the meathead that the floor does this to the Black man, where any player has a right to play with their chips so long as it's not intentionally used as angle shooting.
I just can't comprehend how he gives a warning to this individual when the meathead is the one instigating, and everybody else on the table can agree that he is always instigating.
Not only that, but when the meathead asks the Black man if he checked, he verbally responded "no". From my view, it's the meathead's fault for checking after what was assumed to be a check, which when I saw it I thought it might have been angle shooting in the works, but honestly if that happened to me I would not do anything. I would stay silent until recognizable action is performed.
After the warning was given to the Black man, he showed his nuts to the meathead.
Immediately after the incident, old man in Seat 9 starts yelling at meat head. They know each other by name because they are regulars. Old man claims meathead is a baby and always starts problems, and that it was the second time that day. Meathead goes on to berate the old man by claiming that the old man is jealous of the meathead because the meathead has a much bigger stack etc. This goes on for a while until the old man decides to take his stack and cash out. Meathead continues to berate him as he walks out of the high stakes area.
Shortly after, security and shift manager comes by to find out what is going on, and decides to give everybody on the table a warning. He states that if another incident occurs, the entire table will be removed.
Yet again, bad management by the casino. How is a ruling to punish innocent people on the table justified compared to isolating the individuals who initially started the problem?
Is the meathead so valued by the casino that they are too scared to give him a proper and justified warning considering how it was the second time something like this has happened over the course of the day?
If another incident did occur, and based on the shift manager's earlier ruling, he decides to remove everybody from the table, can it seriously be viewed as a reasonable action?
When I read posts about online players preferring to play online over live due to lack of hands, and people with bad hygiene sitting next to them, I used to think that they were complaining about little things but for the first time ever I felt so sick of playing live poker. Not just poker at the borgata, but live poker in general.
I just can't comprehend how the borgata decides to give the Black man and everybody else on the table a warning, but not this meathead who is always starting something.
It's one thing for players to get out of line, but it's the casino's job to take affirmative action and make fair rulings.
Cliff notes:
-Meathead was also in another incident later that morning.
-Black man and meathead in a hand. Black man is playing with chips and meathead asks Black man if he checked his hand because it somewhat looked like a check.
Black man responds "no" and continues to play with his chip to which meathead checks right after, then Black man bets $400 on the turn.
Meathead goes ballistic and claims it was a check.
-Immediately after, another incident ensues where old man who knows meathead starts scolding him for always instigating, and they go at it for a while until security and shift manager comes.
-Borgata casino poker room quality has gone down by a lot. Poor floor decisions and management.
