I have played some 2|5 at the local joint, but I'm playing almost exclusively online right now. My hourly is better online than live but honestly I find online kind of boring and my discipline is piss poor so I have a hard time getting volume. If I can work through this problem and the games don't get substantially harder (in MI right now where it was recently legalized) I expect 2022 to be my first 6-figure year.

Edit: If we're being *really* honest. Discipline to put in volume has always been a massive issue for me, and has severely held me back from what I feel I should be capable of.

at what hourly will you consider leaving poker as a source of primary income? have you weighed what you'd earn if you pursued a regular career? i apologize in advance if this comes off as rude or dismissive, that's not my intention

Well, before poker I was making $12/h part time, no benefits, and it wasn't something I enjoyed. Job options are fairly limited for me as a high school dropout who isn't great at following directions or working with others.

College would be a huge investment of time and money, incredibly stressful and there's no guarantee that I could make it through, land and keep a job. Then even if I could will it have been worth the time and effort? If I were capable of the level of commitment it would take to be successful pursuing a more standard career I feel I'd achieve better results committing the same level of effort to gambling, with less stress and overall better mental wellbeing.

In order for me to consider taking such a risk my hourly would have to be quite pitiful with little prospect of improving in the future.

It might make more sense to ask what kind of alternative offer I'd need to quit. If anyone can hook me up with a six figure starting salary working with AI as a programmer for a big tech company, I'd seriously consider it. That would be my "dream" job.

Ive been playing pro for the past 12 years at around 50$/hour

For the past 2 years ive been working part time in a career that i like, i make around 32$/hour at the job and in my off days i still play. I feel like i enjoy poker a lot more now even though i make less money

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Hope that worked. Since June, almost entirely 2/5 and 3/5 with a bit of 1/2 and 2/3 mixed in while waiting for a seat to open up. Been a rough Dec so thought I'd remind myself I'm not actually that terrible at this game.

NL OVERALL STATS
PROFIT $20,521 WINNING DAYS 61
DAYS PLAYED 96 LOSING DAYS 35
DAILY WIN % 63.5% WIN STREAK 9
TOTAL HOURS 518.5 LOSS STREAK 5L
$/HR $39.58 CURRENT 5L
HOURS/DAY 5.40

These are results from last 6 mos. Before that had ~14yr data (9000 hrs)of every session I ever played stored on website/app that crashed and was not recoverable(tho I do have summary results).

Interesting detail on last 6mos pertaining to variance:

105 hrs 1/2 winning $55.68/hr
185 hrs 1/3 winning $1.33/hr
228 hrs 2/5 winning $63.22/hr

18 month hiatus from pokerz. I have been working on other gamboolin projects cuz I enjoy figuring stuff out and making money is cool too. We made piles from 1 project and peanuts from another. The one we made peanuts from resulted in us finding the one we made piles from so it worked out nicely.

SPC and I moved back west in 2020 and stumbled upon a lovely private game. The game is 1/3 sometimes we get 2/5 going. If I had to guess 2/3 of my hours are in the 1/3 game. The game can play very deep. THe player pool is pretty small and there is one player who I view as decent (would prolly win 6-8bb/hr in a vegas 2/5). The rest are really really bad. It is the largest skill gap I have ever enjoyed. THere is lots of straddling and u can straddle up to 5x the BB from any position. The rake is very reasonable. My tip rate is several x what it was in the casino but I feel it is a necessary expense in this situation.

98.33/hr

Man used to love this thread. I have to post in case this helps someone considering their exit strategy.

I played mostly 1-2,1-3, and started playing 2-5 before I made the move into corporate America

My heavy playing days were circa 2012-2015ish. 2013-2014 were my heavier volume years but I rarely put in more than 25-30 hrs per week and worked another part time job on the side to reduce variance.

1-2 hourly was $27 over 1,200 or so hours
1-3/2-5 combined was around $35-40 over about 200-300 hours

In 2014 I decided to take a step back and took a full time job with benefits at a distribution company making a whole $13/hr. I was looking for a career somewhere, still had no clue what I wanted to do but thought the business/corporate world would be where I find my home.

I realized quickly B2B sales intrigued me and I thought I had the skillset to be successful. Took an outside sales job with a company that noticed/recruited me from the $13/hr gig, they were a customer of ours. As of today, about 7 years after my step back in order to find a career I'm clearing 6 figures and closer to 125-150 depending on bonus/commission

I have no college degree

It can be done. But the 7 years was a grind. Good luck all

browni, sorry man i was afk for a while due to holidays, really appreciate the time you took to respond

you always struck me as a highly intelligent person, like jsmooth mentioned, i'm sure you could find a way out if you wanted if you were willing to eat some earnings pain for a year or two - and again i can't emphasize enough i don't think that's something you have to do etc etc just that the door is there even though it may not appear to be

i was lucky enough to have a college degree and was still very young and could just use the "traveling" excuse to help me get out but for a few years i made far less than what i was making in poker

poker - got into it by accident, loved it and had a knack for it and serrendipitously found myself earning enough from a private game that i didn't need to find a job and it grew from there

journalism - read a lot of chomsky in college, was very idealistic at that time about changing the corrupt system from within, applied for a ton of different jobs at various media organizations at their foreign desks - finally got called into a job and the interview was some basic questions and then i was handed a chinese language newspaper and asked to read out loud - i wasn't able to do that but insisted i could learn on the job, the interview ended - i thought that was it - turns out they couldn't find a more suitable candidate so a week later i was hired - started doing painstakingly slow translation and within a year i was a producer and running the tv studio

tech - wanted out of journalism after a few years, was into coding as a teen but never progressed beyond 1990s html and never took math/computer science in college - but i wanted to work in tech, i spent years applying for any jobs at any tech company where they were looking for english translation and then in the interview i ended up trying to turn it around and say "hey it doesn't matter if this game is properly translated, it won't make any sense to a western audience the way it's currently designed, i mean they won't even understand how to login the way this is setup"

mostly got told to get the hell out of their office but on a few rare occasions they listened and i got the job, this terribly low wage weekend and evening moonlighting gave me enough experience and knowledge to get better and better faking genuine expertise until one day i had actually become one - my "big break" came when I heard a wholesale food company was looking to start doing retail sales and I applied to do "sales" and then in the interview successfully argued that they should be directing everything online and I could build that site and team etc etc and they were crazy enough to let me - from there i had the credentials to join an actual tech company directly and ended up joining a fast growing startup that soon had a userbase in the hundreds of millions

with a journalism degree from missou or computer science degree from stanford i could have skipped those stages and started directly at lower mid level positions - which is how most end up doing it - but with enough patience and grit you can claw your way into being a "respected expert" in a field of which you have absolutely no training nor educational background within

i was a political science major, one of the most worthless degrees possible, basically only real path it gives you is a slight edge in applying for law school, it also helps develop you into a contentious douchebag, see my undertitle for further evidence of that

Last 1k hours. 80% 2/5 1k cap, 15% 5T 3k cap then match the stack, 4% 1/3 500 cap, 1% random other stakes/limits

The filters are date, holdem only and cash only

Strong results drowski. Whats the time frame on the 1k hrs?

Thanks man. About 7 months

Well the good news is that as a counterpoint to all these excellent profits being posted, I will be almost certainly be posting a losing record for the year over the next few days.

Not many hours and not sure what the running total is yet but I’ll need a huge score in my last few hours at the table tonight to get even

Hopefully will encourage some of the lurkers in here with less than amazing results to post theirs too

Nice work!

Questions/confusion for me:

"80% 2/5....4% 1/3" Don't see those listed, did you lump them under $1-$5 blinds? Total is ~84% but $1-$5 is only about 30% of sessions....

336 sessions in 7 mos, how do you structure your play? Days off? Multiple sessions daily? Can you give an example of your "average" day? (changing stakes, taking breaks, etc)

$1-$5 is 1/3
$5-$10 is 2/5
$10-$50 is 5/10

Its just how the app catigorizes them. Bb size it how it gets sorted. It's weird and confusing lol. Maybe the only thing about the app I don't like

1/3 sessions are like 20 mins average length while I'm waiting for 2/5 or 5T. So there is a lot of them but not much actual play time at that stake.

I just play the biggest game running and I play 6-8 hours/day, 6 or 7 days/week. I'll take a week off whenever I feel like I need to. Probably one week off every 2 months.

For the record, I'm not looking to get out of poker anytime soon.

Seems like you have good people skills and are able to market yourself, take initiative, etc. I don't think I could do that. Intelligence doesn't necessarily go very far if it isn't supplemented by such skills.

I'm impressed how you've been able to have consistent, profitable results over such a long time period. It's how you like to play the game, and I think that is fine


I'm at $70 an hour over 1580 hours, $58 an hour at 2/5 over 1230 hours. I don't post it much cause I haven't played since COVID started.

Had a solidly terrible ending to the year (lost almost 900 bb in the final 16 hours of play), but overall had a solid year.

I’m a recreational player

495 hours played (most ever for a year)
+$16,784 (most ever for a year, albeit I averaged just under 200 hours/year since 2013)
8.09 bb/hour

25 hours at 10/10
352 hours at 2/5
105 hours at 1/3
6 hours at 1/2

7 hours at 2/2 plo

Had my 2 best months of profit ever (October and November) and my worst month ever (July), but these are mostly functions of playing more. Previous years I would rarely play more than 50 hours in a month, this year I had 5 months of over 50 hours, 4 of which had an average of 85 hours.

I’ve gotten into a good work/life/poker balance that I hope to continue into 2022. Considering I played a total of 15.5 hours in January through April, and only 10 hours in August in 2021, I hope to put in 600+ hours in 2022. Hopefully Covid protocols will allow it.

2021 results after the reopen. I’m a rec, retired, nonetheless choose to log ~1.1k hours in a normal year.

$1/$3 NL: 13.05 hrs / $1,705 / $130.65 hourly
$2/$5 NL: 518.96 hrs / $27,247 / $52.50 hourly
Total NL: 532.01 hrs / $28,952 / $54.52 hourly

During the shutdown, played 6-max OL, boned up on some gray concepts, closed some leaks, and generally added more structure to my game.

Thread needs more lol-giraffes, gogogo, imo!

I lost $1 in 2020; did you manage to beat that?

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My 2021 giraffe:



Rocking the OMC winrate in 2021, booking 3.98 bb/hr over just 125.5 hours. Our room only finally got around to re-opening in November, and to be honest I'm just thankful it remained open long enough for me to get in some holiday volume. Whether the room remains open will be touch and go with surging Coronaids numbers.

I've booked a grand total of just 230 hours over the last two years (where normally I'd be at 1100 hours). Sigh.

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Put in a lot of hours in 2021. 20hrs total.

2/3/5/10 NL: 7hrs / $6,800 / $971/hr
2/3/5 NL: 13hrs / $2,600 / $200/hr

Might try to play more hrs this year, but it'll be tough to beat.

My lol sample size for the year

273hr
67/hr