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Old 02-05-2016, 07:54 PM   #13201
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I need some input. Last night at my local 2/5 game I caught up with a buddy, well he's just a 40-something fella I'm chummy with at the table. Decent guy who doesn't seem to have a reason to bull****.
We were talking about our winrates over our lifetime, he has >1000 hrs & I have 300.

Now, basically, he told me that his average hourly rate is $45....At 2/5...Over those 1000+ hrs. First words out of my mouth were "bull****." We were talking quietly between us so he had no reason to be pulling my leg in front of the others.

The only thing he does differently to me was he plays a short-stack strategy, 2x$200 bullets (max buy in is $400 here), plays very loose at the start, then tightens up when he's deep.

Please tell me, is this bull****? Do any of you have >$40/hr rates at 2/5, over at least 500 hours?

Also: He said he thought $45/hr was LOW. I asked him why he doesn't grind full time then, and he explained how when he grinded years ago, he played scared, but when it's for fun, he plays well/profitable.
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Old 02-05-2016, 08:02 PM   #13202
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That's only 8bb/hr. There are plenty of reports of people crushing $1/2 for more than that.

If the market is good and the $2/5 game is splashy I don't see why that win rate would be out of reach. Especially if you're playing peak times.

His strategy is an interesting one since it can give the perception of being a very loose gambley player early on, which can get him paid big once they get deep. Provided he's adjusting well.
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Old 02-05-2016, 08:12 PM   #13203
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90%+ of players at all casinos I've played at tell me, "bla, bla, bla, my winrate is x", where x is > 0, my first thought is Bull****.

But I would never say it out loud.


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Old 02-05-2016, 08:24 PM   #13204
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Like the lowest I've seen on twoplustwo for a winning 2/5 player (who played 2/5 as their main game) was ~30-35 an hour. 45 is very much in play, and I've seen a few in the low 50s. I don't know this particular guys game. But 45$ an hour is easily possible at 2/5. Plenty of people make 20 an hour at 1/2 which is less then half the stakes (and you can often buy in deeper at 2/5 than you can at 1/2). And in the places which regularly run multiple tables of 2/5 and almost always have a 5/10 or higher game going (Vegas, AC, Florida, Maryland etc), there is typically not much difference in play between the 1/2 and 2/5 tables.
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Old 02-05-2016, 08:33 PM   #13205
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I'm starting to believe $80-100 an hour is attainable in my local market which regularly sports multiple tables, 200 BB max buyin and a bigger 5-10 or 10-10 game often going.
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Old 02-05-2016, 08:38 PM   #13206
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I started playing live regularly after moving to a place where there is a poker room within 15 min drive. Since then I have about 400 hrs at $54/hr playing $2/$5 I know I know......BULL**** right?
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Old 02-05-2016, 08:57 PM   #13207
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Yeah, OMG, pokerz is soooo easy peasy, amirite??? Just show up and print the monies!!!
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Old 02-05-2016, 10:23 PM   #13208
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I started playing live regularly after moving to a place where there is a poker room within 15 min drive. Since then I have about 400 hrs at $54/hr playing $2/$5 I know I know......BULL**** right?
You'll fit right in around here.
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Old 02-05-2016, 10:46 PM   #13209
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Walk like a donk, talk like a donk, but win money?

Nahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
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Old 02-05-2016, 11:32 PM   #13210
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Ya'll keep grinding your ****ty game, I'll keep grinding ultimate poker at the local casino.

I make tree fiddy an hour doing it, thats right
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Old 02-06-2016, 12:03 AM   #13211
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Last I check, if you only count the winnings, you'll never lose.
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Old 02-06-2016, 12:25 AM   #13212
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Playing loose when you re short and tight when you re deep seems the opposite of optimal.
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Old 02-06-2016, 12:50 AM   #13213
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It makes perfect sense if you think about how little you are risking when you lose...
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Old 02-06-2016, 01:08 AM   #13214
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It's usually these people who keep terrible records of their actual hours and also blow money in sides
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Old 02-06-2016, 01:16 AM   #13215
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I need some input. Last night at my local 2/5 game I caught up with a buddy, well he's just a 40-something fella I'm chummy with at the table. Decent guy who doesn't seem to have a reason to bull****.
We were talking about our winrates over our lifetime, he has >1000 hrs & I have 300.

Now, basically, he told me that his average hourly rate is $45....At 2/5...Over those 1000+ hrs. First words out of my mouth were "bull****." We were talking quietly between us so he had no reason to be pulling my leg in front of the others.

The only thing he does differently to me was he plays a short-stack strategy, 2x$200 bullets (max buy in is $400 here), plays very loose at the start, then tightens up when he's deep.

Please tell me, is this bull****? Do any of you have >$40/hr rates at 2/5, over at least 500 hours?

Also: He said he thought $45/hr was LOW. I asked him why he doesn't grind full time then, and he explained how when he grinded years ago, he played scared, but when it's for fun, he plays well/profitable.
Is beating 2/5 for $45/hour or more realistic if you're good enough? Absolutely.

Now...

Based on what you've shared, I can almost guarantee you that he doesn't beat the game for anything remotely close to that (if he's even a profitable player at all). There were so many fails in his description of how to play. Everything about it is bad.
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Old 02-06-2016, 06:31 AM   #13216
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I'm starting to believe $80-100 an hour is attainable in my local market which regularly sports multiple tables, 200 BB max buyin and a bigger 5-10 or 10-10 game often going.
Parx?
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Old 02-06-2016, 09:51 AM   #13217
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It makes no sense if you think about how little you are winning when you make a hand...
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Old 02-06-2016, 04:10 PM   #13218
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When you're a losing player, you mostly think about how to lose less.
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Old 02-06-2016, 06:17 PM   #13219
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Those shows are pretty full of it. I can't imagine making much profit if you need to pay so many contractors to get the job done.
Nah, it is like poker.

Everyone tries it. Top 5% succeed.
Most that succeed find other ways to use their talents.
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Old 02-06-2016, 06:29 PM   #13220
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Pizza is only so big, you can't invite too many people.
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Old 02-08-2016, 11:37 PM   #13221
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I have a 7k roll, and I'm wondering whether it's more profitable for me to buy in for 300 at 1/3, or buy in for the full 500 with someone taking half my action, assuming we split profits and losses. Of course this depends on my win rate, but I'm wondering if there's a point of equilibrium, or if 300 with no stake is absolutely more profitable so long as my win rate is greater than zero.

I know buying in for the full amount is most profitable, but for me it's not worth the increased variance/risk of ruin. Also, is it reasonable to split profits/losses with someone who's staking you for half of your investment?
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Old 02-08-2016, 11:44 PM   #13222
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300 on your own. And you could absolutely cover 500 on your own with $7k roll at 1/3.
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Old 02-08-2016, 11:45 PM   #13223
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I have a 7k roll, and I'm wondering whether it's more profitable for me to buy in for 300 at 1/3, or buy in for the full 500 with someone taking half my action, assuming we split profits and losses. Of course this depends on my win rate, but I'm wondering if there's a point of equilibrium, or if 300 with no stake is absolutely more profitable so long as my win rate is greater than zero.

I know buying in for the full amount is most profitable, but for me it's not worth the increased variance/risk of ruin. Also, is it reasonable to split profits/losses with someone who's staking you for half of your investment?
I wouldnt get staked if I were you. Buy in 300 if you feel shortrolled.

Best reasons to get staked in cash games is because you plan to play a much bigger games then usual because of a it's going to be vwry juicy.. otherwise you will regret it when you do run good.
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Old 02-08-2016, 11:54 PM   #13224
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I wouldnt get staked if I were you. Buy in 300 if you feel shortrolled.

Best reasons to get staked in cash games is because you plan to play a much bigger games then usual because of a it's going to be vwry juicy.. otherwise you will regret it when you do run good.
I'll also be glad I got staked when I run bad, so that's not really the point. I'm just wondering if it's more profitable to get staked while playing with 500, since the increased win rate of playing deeper could compensate for the fact that I have half my action, plus the rake is proportionally lower since pots will be bigger on average.
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Old 02-09-2016, 12:03 AM   #13225
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10% of your $300 an hour: $30/hr.

10% of $500 = $50/hr, split that in half = $25/hr.
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