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10-26-2012 , 04:35 AM
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Originally Posted by DoyJivision
Is it somewhat of a generic problem for people who get up quickly in a game to slowly piss it away?
go to Vegas
win a pot
change casinos.

ez game
10-26-2012 , 05:32 AM
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Originally Posted by iLikeCaliDonks
@sabr you saound like a female man! What are you doing? You have no playa skills.
never claimed I did

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Originally Posted by iLikeCaliDonks
@"i got a proposal for ya"lol. You paid no attention to my post at all,smh. You gave her all the power. You tucked your tail and sound desperate. You might as well gave her a letter with one line on it. "do you like me?" c'mon man! I told you play it cool. Text her and become friends the bf will get her mad sooner rather than later. All that meeting for coffee is a losing proposition. You have the number already, just text her. No need for a date. She has a bf already for that. Girls like sex man. Text her and say i was joking about the 5 days before its too late. The man makes confirmation not the women. You have to take control of the situation. Just find out her schedule and text her when she is not working. Try to set up something when she is not working and have some drinks at your house. Girls with boy friends dont want to be seen in public. Which is good for you since your goal is to just have sex.
Goal is more than to have secks, otherwise I coulda just hired a hooker or something. Plus, if I just secks her, I'm the douche for making her cheat on her bf. So I'm gonna ease into it with this dating crap to win her over.
10-26-2012 , 05:43 AM
Solid conversation with the waitress.

I think the ending could use some improvement though. I wouldn't end by essentially putting the ball in court, and giving her a deadline. Ultimatums are kind of bad in general, and also if she doesn't approach you within 5 days you can't really contact her again without looking desperate.

I think the last bit should go like this:

"I know you have a bf but let's get together for coffee soon" Same thing as telling her to give you her number instead of asking, it makes responses like hers much harder. Also it shows that you already expect the answer to be yes so you don't need to ask.

And then after she answers just say "cool we'll figure out when later." I would've responded with this even after she said possibly. Just take "possibly" for a "yes".

Solid conversation though, much better than the texts.
10-26-2012 , 05:53 AM
But if you're not there to just have sex, this dating crap is not dating crap, it's all the fun. Believe it or not, dating can be enjoyable for anyone who's not single-mindedly obsessed with the idea of getting sex. It's here where you get to know the person and unravel the mystery that is each other, and feel the sense of excitement of not knowing what happens next, excuse the purple prose.
10-26-2012 , 05:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Bluegrassplayer
I think the ending could use some improvement though.
I agree. Once she immediately said "possibly" I should just treat that as a "yes," because that's what you say when you mean "yes" but don't want to outright say it. ty though.

I think texting is fine as long as I'm not doing it exclusively, which I'm not obv. Young people now have had cellphones/texting for most of their lives, so it's normal to text about everything. But obv IRL contact is the most important.
10-26-2012 , 05:59 AM
I think that texting is fine, it just shouldn't be used too much at the beginning, and also shouldn't be used for important things such as establishing your first date.

I wouldn't use it to hit on her at all, just to get some info about her, and some conversation material.
10-26-2012 , 08:20 AM
Bagged 58.4k for anzpt Melbourne today ave 43k...

First three tables where atrocious with lots of tough online players but last two levels at last table were epic with lots of bad play...

Hand i want some feedback on from sol reader or other mtt guys...

Late day one blinds 300/600/75

Folds to mp a middle aged guy who open limps 10 blinds... next in makes it 2200 with a stack of 28 blinds

folds to me on button with AK and ~60 blinds... I debate just calling with the plan for the shortie to limp jam and for mp to rejam his whole range...

Good bad or meh?
10-26-2012 , 08:25 AM
Also sol u should have zero problems with a bank account... Most casinos have deposit systems free of charge if worst comes to worst anyway...
10-26-2012 , 09:13 AM
No but I need one to pay rent and stuff.

Flat there can be fine, though tbh you're not getting jammed on all that much.
10-26-2012 , 09:40 AM
Terrible game last night, I was dumb to take the seat. Played for 6.5 hours and finished -290, the game was basically 2/5/10. I played some pretty weird hands:

Hand 1:

Effective stacks are like 800
I open from LP to 20 with QJ

Nitty TAG calls the button, unknown tighter player defends the BB

Pot is 60
Flop is J97

Unknown checks, I bet 35, Nitty TAG calls, unknown calls

Pot is 165
Turn is 4

Unknown checks, at this point I kind of do a semi-bluff where I figure KJ/AJ might fold but there are a lot of draws out there that I can get value from including JT so

Hero bets 85
Nitty TAG calls, unknown folds

Pot is 335
River is the 6
Hero checks, Nitty TAG puts in 200 pretty quickly, Hero calls

On the river my thinking was that he doesn't thin value bet so this is never KJ/AJ and almost all of his two pair combinations/sets/straights would be raising the turn to fold out the FD or w/e behind him so combinatorically he just doesn't have many value hands (if any) which weights his hand towards busted draws. However, he isn't exactly a big bluffer and he fast plays a lot of combo draws so I think folding here is fine too. In fact check/folding the flop then betting the turn if checked to is probably the best line but I'm a monkey .

Villain shows AA and smooth called me pf.

Hand 2:

Hero has TT

Effective Stacks are like 650

BTN straddle, both blinds fold UTG LAG opens to 35, LAG calls, Hero 3bets to 135, folds back to UTG who raises to 450, fold, I think for quite a while and I'm basically calling 515 to win 820 which is 1:1.6 and need 38.4% equity and against QQ+, AK I have 36 so I stacked off AMHIG. He had been running over the table quite a bit and I have a history of 3betting him and he knows I can 3bet fold and the 4bet from him was so large that I just didn't think he would have done it with AA/KK.

Hand 3:

Effective stacks are like 1500

LAG who is on total tilt opens to 30 in MP in a straddled pot, I flat with AQos right behind him, 3 other callers

Pot is 150
Flop is AT9r

Ch/lag checks/I bet 105/folds to LAG who calls

Pot is 360
Turn is 9
LAG checks, I check

River is a 7
LAG bets 275, I call

Seems standardish, turn was a great card for my hand even though I thought he was betting most sets/2 pair on the flop on the drawish board. I was quite nervous about AK but villain shows AQ and we chop the pot.
10-26-2012 , 09:48 AM
what is a legit hourly for a 1/2 plo?
10-26-2012 , 09:49 AM
it is impossible to know because of the variance and volume issues and how deep the stacks are really influences the game.

probably 20 to 40
10-26-2012 , 10:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Sol Reader
No but I need one to pay rent and stuff.

Flat there can be fine, though tbh you're not getting jammed on all that much.
Jammed on by limper or raiser?
10-26-2012 , 10:13 AM
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Originally Posted by 11t
it is impossible to know because of the variance and volume issues and how deep the stacks are really influences the game.

probably 20 to 40
nut pedal basically 10 handed?
10-26-2012 , 10:13 AM
Depends a lot on preflop and stack depth. Can be very low.

You can have a LOT of passive nits. Hard to make lots of money from people who play passive/nitty pre, and "okay" post. Not really that hard.
10-26-2012 , 10:16 AM
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Originally Posted by IhaveBTN
nut pedal basically 10 handed?
You are asking the wrong questions but being a nut pedaler is not how you make money playing PLO, you get it in as a 60/40 favorite at a very frequent basis
10-26-2012 , 10:43 AM
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Originally Posted by 11t
Terrible game last night, I was dumb to take the seat. Played for 6.5 hours and finished -290, the game was basically 2/5/10. I played some pretty weird hands:

Hand 1:

Effective stacks are like 800
I open from LP to 20 with QJ

Nitty TAG calls the button, unknown tighter player defends the BB

Pot is 60
Flop is J97

Unknown checks, I bet 35, Nitty TAG calls, unknown calls

Pot is 165
Turn is 4

Unknown checks, at this point I kind of do a semi-bluff where I figure KJ/AJ might fold but there are a lot of draws out there that I can get value from including JT so

Hero bets 85
Nitty TAG calls, unknown folds

Pot is 335
River is the 6
Hero checks, Nitty TAG puts in 200 pretty quickly, Hero calls

On the river my thinking was that he doesn't thin value bet so this is never KJ/AJ and almost all of his two pair combinations/sets/straights would be raising the turn to fold out the FD or w/e behind him so combinatorically he just doesn't have many value hands (if any) which weights his hand towards busted draws. However, he isn't exactly a big bluffer and he fast plays a lot of combo draws so I think folding here is fine too. In fact check/folding the flop then betting the turn if checked to is probably the best line but I'm a monkey .

Villain shows AA and smooth called me pf.
What are you beating from nitty TAG here? He has exactly what you think he has - a better 1 pair.
10-26-2012 , 10:47 AM
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Originally Posted by The Rumor
What are you beating from nitty TAG here? He has exactly what you think he has - a better 1 pair.
Well I didn't exactly put him on flatting AA PF

But I am beating a busted draw, just that there aren't many (if any) out there really that aren't combo draws. Never said I played the hand good
10-26-2012 , 11:17 AM
Also this hand came up:

Hero has KK and raises over a limper to 25
1 caller behind, blind calls, limper calls

Flop is AA4r

checks around

Turn is K

Blind bets 10, fold, Hero raises to 110, fold, blinds call

Pot is 320
River is a 6

Blind checks with like 415 behind and I overbet shipped the river because he was some random stationy old man and I don't think he is ever folding AQ and is calling with some % of the time with AJ and other aces. Good/bad?
10-26-2012 , 11:32 AM
Bet the amount you think a7-aT will call with. Depending on villain he may ship AJ/AQ over your bet
10-26-2012 , 11:35 AM
So like 200 on the river is better in your opinion?
10-26-2012 , 12:01 PM
Jamming is best imo. Nh
10-26-2012 , 12:02 PM
what do you think of the other 3 hands I posted?
10-26-2012 , 12:03 PM
Around there. Id bet 180. 200 is a mental barrier for some players. Leaves more room to jam for him. If he thinks in dollar amounts not pot size like many llsnl players then he might raise thinking you can fold .
10-26-2012 , 12:04 PM
Ashley thats awesome grats.

I 3bet pre in the hand given unless you have seen the old man limp raise before. Too likely that you go three way to the flop. With aa or kk i think flatting is much better because it doesnt matter as much if ypur plan folds and you see a flop.

Also einning that pot outright with ak is a good result.


Sol: why not just open an hsbc account in hk?

      
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