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02-11-2016 , 12:15 AM
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Originally Posted by dev123
Agree with this.

Plus DK and FD are gonna have huge budgets to market and promote their sites so I can see them having 90% of the market share. The smaller sites might get a niche following due to people preferring different point systems and maybe some pros bumunting them for weaker games.

Personally I would be a bit concerned about having any amount of cash on the smaller sites in case they start folding and disappearing.
All sites regulated and licensed are required to keep players funds segregated from operating money. Still never wise to let money sit in the sites for too long. When season is finished best to withdraw all funds and start again in new season afresh.

You can read it all here. Best part of regulation is this aspect, transparency and penalties for playing foul.

http://www.gamblingcommission.gov.uk...mer-funds.aspx

Of course bigger prize pools are nice. But all that matters is staying in the green every game week no matter where it comes from.

DK's game looks very shark heavy to me. Laughing seeing all the badges to their name. Nearly fainted seeing the entrant names on the $300 buy-in for last Gameweek. Full of harbour sharks. Ha ha!

Not wholly convinced smaller sites will crumble or go away. Some have dedicated following and great game play to compensate for smaller prizes.
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02-11-2016 , 12:20 AM
Issue with smaller sites is they won't have good cash game economy. Big prize pools gets the players hooked then they stay and also play cash games.

Where do you view "badges"
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02-11-2016 , 03:24 AM
DK are going to have to change their scoring system if they want to appeal to people who aren't fantasy nerds. It won't make sense to the average football fan why James McClean is getting these 10 point games every week. The Mondogoal scoring is a lot friendlier. (Aware this has been discussed but was clear when I played last weekend for the first time).
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02-11-2016 , 04:10 AM
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Originally Posted by DuckSauce
Issue with smaller sites is they won't have good cash game economy. Big prize pools gets the players hooked then they stay and also play cash games.

Where do you view "badges"
You go contest lobby and click under entrants. Then you see all the M attached to username. If someone is multi-entering teams with a $100 buy-in, that says it all. A lot hard-core players there, new players have no chance unless they utilise astute contest selection.
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02-11-2016 , 04:15 AM
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Originally Posted by LouB22
DK are going to have to change their scoring system if they want to appeal to people who aren't fantasy nerds. It won't make sense to the average football fan why James McClean is getting these 10 point games every week. The Mondogoal scoring is a lot friendlier. (Aware this has been discussed but was clear when I played last weekend for the first time).
I will second your comment. Looks and feels like a very lop-sided game. Successful Cross at 0.5 and shots on target at 2 will balance it.

Tackles won is at least better than any tackles. At one point seems fair as tackles won are not as overly common occurrence as any crosses.

Including any cross whether successful or not. Including any shots whether on target or not is not sharp scoring at all.

There is the crux of the matter. Appeal to wider people or just to spreadsheets stats obsessive's.

On Mondo I have slowly got used to costly yellow cards and avoiding as much as possible carded players. Their scoring represents football game as it is. They just need to polish the rough edges of their site, contest lobby looks like a jumble sale on a Sunday Market. Filter feature urgently needed.
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02-11-2016 , 05:40 AM
Personally I wouldn't be surprised if as the UK market develops there becomes a split where people play DraftKings for the large GPPs and play cash games elsewhere.
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02-11-2016 , 06:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Garrincha67
Absolutely, punt play in a sense he is not a regular starter. So on the free roll contest Trippier had 12.8 % ownership. If budget allowed I will have picked Eric Pieters myself.

So I had these players in defence whose scores overmatched their salary.

Virgil Van Dijik (Southampton)scored 5.5 pts. Salary price of $2.8 and ownership at 5.8 %.
Sorry if it's besides the point, but it seems that a good choice returns around 2.5x his salary on average. So Van Dijk didn't, this gw.
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02-11-2016 , 07:27 AM
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Originally Posted by WorldCupDanB
Personally I wouldn't be surprised if as the UK market develops there becomes a split where people play DraftKings for the large GPPs and play cash games elsewhere.
I agree with you Dan. No reason players should not pick and choose what suits them. Diversify and stay in the green is a good long term strategy. It is a buyers market in the UK.

I have set up one email for Daily Fantasy alone. By Thursday it is full of emails saying come to play with us.
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02-11-2016 , 07:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Jean
Sorry if it's besides the point, but it seems that a good choice returns around 2.5x his salary on average. So Van Dijk didn't, this gw.
Indeed it is best if player returned 2.5x salary. Van Dijk did not and had no choice budget wise to complete a line-up.

The salary pricing is very sharp and have to give them that. As such makes it even more key to pick a slept-on players with very low ownership who will come good.

While on Mondo salary price is less sharp and one is home & dry if four to five players drafted scored a goal and had few assists.
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02-11-2016 , 08:36 AM
Anybody has entries or lineups on mondo for the saturday late slate? My lineups cannot be entered in any contest, and my entries do not appear on the "MyLineups" page. The support is not being helpful. Is it working fine for you guys?
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02-11-2016 , 08:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Garrincha67
I have set up one email for Daily Fantasy alone. By Thursday it is full of emails saying come to play with us.
Do you play on Fantasy Bet?

I have just deposited on Fantasy Bet and think I will enter #GRAND SATURDAY.

I cant seem to find anything in the rules about making squad changes. Can I edit my squad up until the gameweek deadline after I submit? Or once I have clicked the Submit button is that the final team entered?

Dont see anything to save my line up and obvs I am gonna need to check team news on Sat and alter some things so I dont want to click the submit button too early and not be able to make changes.

Let me know, if you know what the rules are for that site.
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02-11-2016 , 08:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Jean
Anybody has entries or lineups on mondo for the saturday late slate? My lineups cannot be entered in any contest, and my entries do not appear on the "MyLineups" page. The support is not being helpful. Is it working fine for you guys?
Just tried it (did you create it in the my lineups section first?) and same happened to me. I then entered a contest without a line up in the contest page and entered a late slate game and then created a line up that way which worked fine but it isn't showing that team in the my line ups page. When I went back to the my line up page the original one I created is still there though showing no entries

Let me know if you here anything back from mondo
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02-11-2016 , 08:50 AM
Loving how your definition of a punt play is that they haven't started many games. If I check the lineups and he starts, is he still a punt play???
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02-11-2016 , 08:51 AM
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Originally Posted by dev123
Do you play on Fantasy Bet?

I have just deposited on Fantasy Bet and think I will enter #GRAND SATURDAY.

I cant seem to find anything in the rules about making squad changes. Can I edit my squad up until the gameweek deadline after I submit? Or once I have clicked the Submit button is that the final team entered?

Dont see anything to save my line up and obvs I am gonna need to check team news on Sat and alter some things so I dont want to click the submit button too early and not be able to make changes.

Let me know, if you know what the rules are for that site.
Yes you can amend line ups #GRAND SATURDAY game (you can in most except the flash games which do have an immediate lock) and I think it is 15 minutes before kick off of the first game
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02-11-2016 , 08:52 AM
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Originally Posted by WorldCupDanB
Yes you can amend line ups #GRAND SATURDAY game (you can in most except the flash games which do have an immediate lock) and I think it is 15 minutes before kick off of the first game
Actually I have just found this

"The deadline for each game will be five minutes before the start of the first fixture within the competition you have entered. This does not apply for the Flash games, where the manager has 3 minutes to complete and submit the team after the contest is entered."

https://www.fantasybet.com/gaming-rules
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02-11-2016 , 09:05 AM
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Originally Posted by LouB22
DK are going to have to change their scoring system if they want to appeal to people who aren't fantasy nerds. It won't make sense to the average football fan why James McClean is getting these 10 point games every week. The Mondogoal scoring is a lot friendlier. (Aware this has been discussed but was clear when I played last weekend for the first time).
Not sure there will be any radical changes to scoring. Whilst they will want to attract new UK and Europe fans there is still gonna be a big customer base in the USA who are already used to the current scoring and prob have their algos and spreadsheets setup for it. But I agree some tinkering to the system would be good.

Is James McClean not an example of where the Pro gets his edge from. The average punter will pick an over priced Diego Costa because he is a Chelsea fan or take Harry Kane because he see's him scoring on Match Of The Day.

Where as the Pro will play a numbers and stats game and select optimal lineups that are likely to score well and not just go for the obvious flashy picks.

The DK scoring system might be a lot more complex than free to play Fanatsy Premier League but this can be a good thing as it can open up a bigger skill factor and stats to study. In the fantasy premier after a few weeks everyone ends up with the same core of 7 or 8 players because the game is heavily biased towards assists and goals.

Having points for crosses opens up a new market of players to select from. But I agree that the scoring system should be more balanced so that you cant just select cheap average guys who boot the ball in the box a ton of times.

I think the DK crossing points is the reason as well that full backs can score well which leads to everyone picking them and nobody going for centre backs. I think they should look to even the field in areas like this and introduce better scoring methods for centre backs and defensive mids otherwise it just completely rules out all these players and leads to team rosters looking more similar.
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02-11-2016 , 09:13 AM
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Originally Posted by WorldCupDanB
Personally I wouldn't be surprised if as the UK market develops there becomes a split where people play DraftKings for the large GPPs and play cash games elsewhere.
Only guys that do that will be the bad regs. Rec players are all about convenience and are likely to just play a single site. DK cash games will be a lot more popular than any other site.
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02-11-2016 , 10:02 AM
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Originally Posted by WorldCupDanB
Just tried it (did you create it in the my lineups section first?) and same happened to me. I then entered a contest without a line up in the contest page and entered a late slate game and then created a line up that way which worked fine but it isn't showing that team in the my line ups page. When I went back to the my line up page the original one I created is still there though showing no entries

Let me know if you here anything back from mondo
Yes, exactly. I create my lineups from the "MyLineups" page in advance, and only enter them in contests much later. What other way is there if you play heavy volume and want to enter each lineup in multiple tournaments (and want to be able to edit each lineup only once) ? If you enter two different contests manually with the same team, if you edit one I don't think it edits the other, right?

I'll let you know here if they tell me anything useful.
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02-11-2016 , 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted by TWhelan
Only guys that do that will be the bad regs. Rec players are all about convenience and are likely to just play a single site. DK cash games will be a lot more popular than any other site.
If the bad players are playing cash games elsewhere then that is where the good players will want to play as well.
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02-11-2016 , 10:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Badboi4321
Loving how your definition of a punt play is that they haven't started many games. If I check the lineups and he starts, is he still a punt play???
Not really, it all depends on the match up and other circumstances. To that age old question - form vs fixtures and risk vs reward. That is up to the person drafting to decide on that on whatever site they play on.

I did not play Trippier in any of my line-up's for Gameweek 25 in the other sites. I have cashed very well across all of them. Different scoring rules apply so it was a side issue.

On DK with clean sheets, the defenders scoring and tons of crosses he was a must play. But according the numbers he only had 3 successful crosses excluding corners.

So undoubtedly DK has the biggest prize pools, but has the crappest gameplay scoring. Only worth to make a few punts on their GPP, not worth wasting money there that can return better ROI somewhere else.
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02-11-2016 , 10:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Garrincha67
Not really, it all depends on the match up and other circumstances. To that age old question - form vs fixtures and risk vs reward. That is up to the person drafting to decide on that on whatever site they play on.

I did not play Trippier in any of my line-up's for Gameweek 25 in the other sites. I have cashed very well across all of them. Different scoring rules apply so it was a side issue.

On DK with clean sheets, the defenders scoring and tons of crosses he was a must play. But according the numbers he only had 3 successful crosses excluding corners.

So undoubtedly DK has the biggest prize pools, but has the crappest gameplay scoring
. Only worth to make a few punts on their GPP, not worth wasting money there that can return better ROI somewhere else.

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02-11-2016 , 10:37 AM
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Originally Posted by dev123
Do you play on Fantasy Bet?

I have just deposited on Fantasy Bet and think I will enter #GRAND SATURDAY.

I cant seem to find anything in the rules about making squad changes. Can I edit my squad up until the gameweek deadline after I submit? Or once I have clicked the Submit button is that the final team entered?

Dont see anything to save my line up and obvs I am gonna need to check team news on Sat and alter some things so I dont want to click the submit button too early and not be able to make changes.

Let me know, if you know what the rules are for that site.
Yes, I do play there. You can edit for all games except Flash games.

As Dan mentioned their lock for games is slightly earlier so best to enter mock draft into contests earlier, then edit when team line-up's are announced.

You have picked one of the fun sites with excellent game play. Also if you pick astute subs, you do not have to worry about non-starting players.

Have a look at Premier Punt too. Another slept-on DFS game, smooth game with minimal volatility in scoring.

Just to add, their blog is top-notch. They overall deserved award winners for best fantasy product in 2015.

https://www.fantasybet.com/blog/

Good luck.

Last edited by Garrincha67; 02-11-2016 at 10:48 AM.
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02-11-2016 , 10:45 AM
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Originally Posted by RonaldoVamos
Nice one Ronaldo, you making me laugh here.

Here is my run down of games with the best game play. I repeat not the biggest prize pools though. Best gameplay goes to FantasyBet and Premier Punt.

These are sites I enjoy the most playing at. You ?
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02-11-2016 , 11:14 AM
I've given up on Mondo, don't like the scoring there. Just Draftkings from here on in and playon on the side, nice to play small entry gpps!
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02-11-2016 , 11:32 AM
Just to add. I have double checked to see which UK DFS offer an app.

Fanto have one in Apple's App Store. Their platform had a revamp recently and runs smoothly now.

https://www.fanto.co.uk

Also Premier Punt have an app as well. Any others feel free to add.
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