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03-11-2016 , 04:45 AM
I can't believe Draftkings aren't doing all five Prem games together, with late swap they are really the only site that can get away with it. I understand about having Sat and Sun games split to increase the rake but if they had one set with Sat and Sun games together and then one with Sunday only games people would still play both. They might even get people dropping other sites to play the full set of fixtures with DK, seems very short sighted.
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03-11-2016 , 07:47 AM
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Originally Posted by WorldCupDanB
I can't believe Draftkings aren't doing all five Prem games together, with late swap they are really the only site that can get away with it. I understand about having Sat and Sun games split to increase the rake but if they had one set with Sat and Sun games together and then one with Sunday only games people would still play both. They might even get people dropping other sites to play the full set of fixtures with DK, seems very short sighted.
Good point. Long term is none of these sites forte. Two fixtures is laughable, even if they eager to rake as many contests as possible.

I enjoyed the eight fixtures Europa League contest, 16 teams and lots of quality plays from the early fixtures and also using swap later. Imagine playing just two fixtures from that, it does not hold much appeal.

Game Week 30 was going to be tough with just five fixtures, but no excuse to cut and parcel it even further.
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03-11-2016 , 07:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Sciolist
I don't think DK think they've launched yet. I think they had to put SOMETHING out because their sponsorship deals were about to be announced. Those deals signal that they're going to launch seriously at some stage though. Branding deals are what you do when you've already got the marketing in place, because the marketing has a much better return when you're small. They did it in the wrong order as they expected to be launched already.

DK are in trouble in the US and that trouble could easily escalate. They are going to have to make money elsewhere, and I suspect the reason they got Jeffrey Haas is that he was at PokerStars when they adopted the same strategy post-UIGEA. He was Asia Pacific business development manager at PS from Dec 2006, so as little as six weeks after UIGEA.

I predict DK do their "real" launch on 1st Jun, for the European Championships, or perhaps start advertising during the CL final or similar. We're pretty much beta testers at the moment. What I don't get is how come they aren't ready to launch already, they must have had at least a year, it doesn't seem sensible to me that their first move was to hire Jeffrey in the summer.
So much for this: I hear that DK have cut the UK budget massively due to risks in NY & Texas (I think?) which seems a rather strange way to react.
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03-11-2016 , 10:21 AM
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So much for this: I hear that DK have cut the UK budget massively due to risks in NY & Texas (I think?) which seems a rather strange way to react.
Enlighten us further on your insider information. Surely they did not assume they will attract paying customers in droves in quick time. Did they ?

More interested to see how all these DFS platform's line up at the start of next season. Better features, bigger prizes, more leagues/competitions on offer ? Or a much more shrunk offering and struggles with retaining customers ?
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03-11-2016 , 11:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Garrincha67
Enlighten us further on your insider information. Surely they did not assume they will attract paying customers in droves in quick time. Did they ?
Why couldn't they? They're a billion dollar company in a market full of minnows. Only they have the reach for TV ads and sponsorships of Premier league teams. Like I said before, they hired someone who had done pretty much that for PokerStars.
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03-11-2016 , 11:28 AM
I think you're missing his point, Garrincha is saying surely they did not assume these new masses of players WITHOUT advertising, as has been the case so far in UK.
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03-11-2016 , 11:33 AM
Well, like I said before, I believe the UK office planned to do serious advertising but now they probably can't.
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03-11-2016 , 11:55 AM
Yeah lol and thats what garrincha was asking about - your insider information/if you know anything more, he was saying that surely they didn't think they'd get loads of signups without advertising. So now no advertising they're just writing off the UK?
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03-11-2016 , 12:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Sciolist
Why couldn't they? They're a billion dollar company in a market full of minnows. Only they have the reach for TV ads and sponsorships of Premier league teams. Like I said before, they hired someone who had done pretty much that for PokerStars.
They need to hire Ray Winstone from Bet365 for his ubiquitous adverts. To reach bigger mass they need targeted advertising and subtle one. The US marketing will not work here at all as they competing with variety of sportsbooks for market share. So far no sportsbooks feels the need to offer a DFS product and that says a lot.

If you ask most which one they heard of here ? It will more likely be William Hill, Ladbrokes or Bet365. Especially with free plug-in like this.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...shire-35757616
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03-11-2016 , 12:14 PM
That will have been Will Hill's PR team that got that story placed.

And I know of several big Euro bookies who have looked at DFS, though it's not really my area of expertise so I don't know much more than that.
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03-11-2016 , 12:17 PM
MG just paid out on EL contests for last night but it looks like a lot of the players had points missing, e.g. Liverpool and Fenerbache didn't get clean sheet points..

Anyone else noticed the same thing? Just emailed support about it.
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03-11-2016 , 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by TWhelan
MG just paid out on EL contests for last night but it looks like a lot of the players had points missing, e.g. Liverpool and Fenerbache didn't get clean sheet points..

Anyone else noticed the same thing? Just emailed support about it.
Be eager to hear their response about it. The payout is delayed and then not with the correct scoring. They need to get more people in to do quality control.

You would think with such a delayed payout they will have double checked all the scores.
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03-11-2016 , 01:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Garrincha67
Be eager to hear their response about it. The payout is delayed and then not with the correct scoring. They need to get more people in to do quality control.

You would think with such a delayed payout they will have double checked all the scores.
Yep, just came on to post on this myself after I had emailed them.

Extremely amateurish, I guess most of us noticed this when it stopped at 78 in the Liverpool game, 66 mins in the Sparta game and 88 mins in the Fenerbache game last night.
Unbelievable that it wasn't spotted last night and that they didn't even check it today, it should be automatic really.

I want MG to succeed as I love their scoring model and contests, however they seem to be suffering with volume already with DraftKings expanding (from UK here) and making horrendous errors like this does not exactly instil faith.

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03-11-2016 , 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Garrincha67
You would think with such a delayed payout they will have double checked all the scores.
Assumed that was the reason for the delay..
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03-11-2016 , 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Garrincha67
They need to hire Ray Winstone from Bet365 for his ubiquitous adverts. To reach bigger mass they need targeted advertising and subtle one. The US marketing will not work here at all as they competing with variety of sportsbooks for market share. So far no sportsbooks feels the need to offer a DFS product and that says a lot.

If you ask most which one they heard of here ? It will more likely be William Hill, Ladbrokes or Bet365. Especially with free plug-in like this.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...shire-35757616
Ray Winstone vs Jimmy Bullard ... I know who my money would be on ... and he's come a long way since 'Scum' !
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03-12-2016 , 04:46 AM
Seems like the mondogoal europa league mis-score has been corrected. The wrong prices have been taken back fron accounts and the right prices have been paid, is that correct?
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03-12-2016 , 06:07 AM
Yeah that's what they said they would do. They also said they would refund buyins for anyone that was paid out before but has now drooped out of the money with the updated scores.
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03-12-2016 , 09:03 AM
I wonder what is causing this. Is it the Data Supplier OPTA ? I doubt it. I am on BuaBook match market trading and they use the same data supplier. It is fast, smooth and up to date.

I am on Bet4best and they update all smoothly including Europa League and also they seem to listen to customer feedback to improve their site.

Personally think Mondo have been full of glitches and mishaps all season. If they want to retain customers they need overhaul and start providing quality service.

As KingBenno mentioned in an earlier post they have a decent scoring model and variety of contests. They need to cut out the mediocrity though to stand the tough competition out there for customers from the varying DFS/trading providers.

Good luck all in this very skinny game week. Scaling back on DFS this weekend and trading on BuaBook European match markets. The European match market started last week and lots of value to trade there for now.
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03-12-2016 , 10:17 AM
so much for my beliefs that navas was a big trap this game, wp all on him!
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03-12-2016 , 01:13 PM
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Yeah that's what they said they would do. They also said they would refund buyins for anyone that was paid out before but has now drooped out of the money with the updated scores.
By any one, do they mean any entry, or just a person if they have no cash in a particular tourney ? I assume the latter, because I had an entry cashing £20 in the main tournament that got kicked out of the money (had another entry bumped from out of cash places to £30), but did not get any refund.

I would ask the support, bu they haven't answered any of my last 10 emails or so.
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03-12-2016 , 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Garrincha67
I wonder what is causing this. Is it the Data Supplier OPTA ? I doubt it. I am on BuaBook match market trading and they use the same data supplier. It is fast, smooth and up to date.

I am on Bet4best and they update all smoothly including Europa League and also they seem to listen to customer feedback to improve their site.

Personally think Mondo have been full of glitches and mishaps all season. If they want to retain customers they need overhaul and start providing quality service.

As KingBenno mentioned in an earlier post they have a decent scoring model and variety of contests. They need to cut out the mediocrity though to stand the tough competition out there for customers from the varying DFS/trading providers.

Good luck all in this very skinny game week. Scaling back on DFS this weekend and trading on BuaBook European match markets. The European match market started last week and lots of value to trade there for now.
Mondogoal definitely use OPTA, I think they switched over to them at some point in 2015 so that they could offer more leagues. I assume it will be a failure their end in processing the scores data, probably part of their platform had fallen over as there is no way the OPTA API went down as it will be extremely robust and none of the other sites that uses OPTA seemed to have any problems.

They really do need to up their game, lots of potential but you can't afford to be sloppy with the competition now as you say. I am still waiting for them to sort a huge error of theirs which must have happened on the second 'resettlement' of the Europa League slates. I guess they are a small team and been overwhelmed trying to fix Thursday's errors, whilst maintaining the status quo today, but people expect better service these days.
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03-12-2016 , 04:55 PM
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By any one, do they mean any entry, or just a person if they have no cash in a particular tourney ? I assume the latter, because I had an entry cashing £20 in the main tournament that got kicked out of the money (had another entry bumped from out of cash places to £30), but did not get any refund.

I would ask the support, bu they haven't answered any of my last 10 emails or so.
I think they were more generous settling in the end. I got told this morning that they were settling whatever was greater for every entry, i.e. the prize with the initially incorrect scoring or the correct scoring for each entry.

So if you initially had three entries settle incorrectly for the following:
£30
£20
£0

Which settled correctly were actually:
£15
£30
£10

You would receive £30 - £30 -£10.

They have currently messed my settlement up royally though!
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03-13-2016 , 01:15 AM
Anybody able to tell me how DFS pays out for tickets? Like soccer game tickets, not tickets for gpps. I won 4 of them today but somehow they don't show.
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03-13-2016 , 07:56 AM
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Anybody able to tell me how DFS pays out for tickets? Like soccer game tickets, not tickets for gpps. I won 4 of them today but somehow they don't show.

I had to chase support for them when I won the anfield tkts. Got passed about to around 4 different people at support.

Eventually the UK VIP manager emailed me about it and said they would provide me more details nearer the time.

The day before the game they emailed me a letter to take to Anfield tkt office to pick up "2 General Admission tickets" was supposed to be a $500 prize dunno how they valued them tkts at that.
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03-13-2016 , 09:54 AM
How do you track down lineups for the more esoteric leagues (Russsian Premier League, Turkey's Super Lig ...)? For example, for mondo's early Sunday slate, Lokomotiv Moscow's twitter (https://twitter.com/fclm_official) seems to give the lineup in cyrillic, but I can't find an english version. http://www.teamfeed.co.uk/ seems to have given the lineup at 1.32pm for a 2pm start, but the lineups being locked at 1.30 it's not use ...
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