That’s fair

I went and got fitted for some irons last week and we settled on p790s 1/2 an inch longer and 1 degree upright.

What are possible reasons the fitter would suggest 1 degree upright? Is that due to something in the swing, or a height / wrist to floor adjustment?

He definitely explained it but whether i was distracted or didn't digest everything fully, i cant remember what he said.

I'm guessing and could be wrong but I would think it's just to correct the lie angle when coming into the ball. When you were coming into the ball you may have been toe up again I'm probably wrong so take that with a pinch of salt.

How did the fit go though happy with the result?

I was a little dubious as it was at an American Golf, but yeah it went well enough.

I went semi hoping id leave with titleist T200s ordered, but after hitting them, mizuno 923s and the p790s, i was striking the p790s so much nicer and ive never had fitted irons before so looking forward to picking them up.

The guy seemed knowledgeable enough and the preconceived notions i had in my head about getting a fitting at an American Golf and getting some young kid who wasnt a great fitter didnt turn out to be true, my only complaint would be that id have liked to have tried a few more different irons.

I think next year when i get fitted for a new driver ill go elsewhere

Would you mind sharing your index?

I really like the looks of the p790s and am going for a fitting tomorrow.
But I’m not sure my game is equipped for that type of iron.

Thanks


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I think the P790s are great for a wide range of golfers, They are a great iron. If I didn't have such good numbers with the stealth irons I would have got the P790's in a heart beat they were so nice to hit.

Im currently a 15.6 and wanted to move away from my current game improvement-ish irons and into something thatll last me the next few years and (hopefully) into single figures

I agree with above, they really were very nice to hit!

Thanks for the feedback

Currently a 14.5 and have cobra radspeeed

I’ll get whatever they suggest, but would like something sleeker.

Club Champ Fitting in an hour


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Really want to go get fitted for a new driver and fairway woods.

Need to spend some time in the simulator getting my swing dialed in before doing so.

Really enjoyed the Club Champion experience.

Got a Stealth 2 Plys with Ventura Black S-6
Getting a ventura red shaft put in existing 3w

Adding Stealth 2 Plus 3 Rescue

Fit into Mizuno JPX923s.

Liked the look of the 790s slight more, but the numbers were a good deal different.
Getting Accra 115g shafts
Swapping out the shafts in my existing mizuno wedges with the above as well.


All in all a good time.
Looking forward to getting everything.

Nice did you hit a lot of the new stuff then? If so what did you think of it? Hearing a lot of good stuff about the Callaway Driver right now but god damn is so much money these days. (Say's the guy who got a whole new set last season )

They only had the Rogue. Which I hit really well.
My Current driver is Epic Max

They were still waiting on the paradym.


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Curious what people think about this situation (I might have mentioned it briefly before). There is a guy at our club who is very well liked, a pleasure to both golf with and have a beer with. He's generous to all. The problem is, he wins 95% (and I don't think that's an exaggeration) of all net competitions he plays in, including the two always-set monthly events. His explanation of the disparity actually kind of makes sense: he plays only somewhat regularly at our course, but his handicap is at a harder course. Of course, it isn't THAT much harder. The consensus from those who recognize this issue and play with him a lot is when he's not playing tournaments, HE JUST DOESN'T CARE, and hacks it around on and off the putting green. Is that sandbagging? I actually say no; it's a problem, but I don't think he is hacking it around to do anything about his handicap. I can somewhat vouch for this, as I often play with him in casual games. Another aspect that makes sense is when he plays team competition games he plays with a very good player who essentially caddies for him, lining up putts and talking him through every shot.

Anyway, this came up at the beginning of last season as a problem. It's beyond something to laugh at, people are understandably pissed that winning net is pretty much off the table whenever he plays (as an example of who bad it is, one my team members shot the absolute best round of his life by several shots last month, a true anomaly; he only beat this guy in net by two strokes).

Our pro recognized this, and over the season kept a separate handicap list based ONLY on competitive rounds. This guy's handicap was TEN STROKES BETTER than his non-competition rounds (for comparison, the next closest player had a 4.5 stroke difference, and no one else was more than 2. Also, he shot 60 net one month, and our pro pointed out pro would have had to shoot 55 to TIE him). There is a discussion on the table to have all competition based on an internal "competition" handicap, kept by the pro shop. This guy will be pissed and quite possibly quit; he'll know it's because of him, and he has consistently taken the position that he DOES NOT sandbag intentionally, and he plays within the GHIN rules. He's a friend, and I wouldn't want him quitting, but it IS frustrating to hear his name called 95% of the time for net.

Curious about general thoughts. No one can think of a solution other than the internal competition handicap system. But, maybe there shouldn't be a solution if he's playing within the rules.

Edit: I'll add that he plays a LOT of golf, and mostly casual, so an added element to the issue is he'll shoot well at our course at one competition, and then have 12-14 new scores posted in the two weeks before the next one.

I like the competition handicap idea. And I absolutely consider that sandbagging.

That's sandbagging for sure and I'd say it's intentional. Nobody I know who loves golf loves shooting 10+ strokes worse than their potential on a regular basis. Or even on a periodic basis. If he plays as much as you say, and he's serious and competitive in competition rounds, he's almost got to force himself to not take the casual rounds seriously.

Is substance use a factor in the casual rounds?

has anyone given them a stern talking to?
perhaps a finger wag and a frown?

whatever they're doing has the same result as sandbagging
when will someone think of the children

Seems like a reasonable solution. Can totally understand the greater member body being pissed to see this guy win net all the time, I'd scoff at it too.

Sandbagging and/or cheating 100% no question.

Handicaps and net events are supposed to result in every player having the same chance to win. The odds of the same person winning 95% of the events is flat out not possible mathematically.

He's actually lucky he hasn't been banned already. He's also lucky he hasn't had his ass kicked by other golfers. Not joking.

He knows what he's doing, I have no sympathy.

He may have convinced himself that he doesn't sandbag and think himself that what he'd doing is ok, but it doesn't change what's happening.

I don't really get how someone would even want to be in that position - I'd feel like a complete idiot if I consistently shot that much better than my hcp and won basically all competitions with everyone just rolling their eyes when the winner was announced.

At out club we play a comp every Saturday. 2 x a month they are qualifiers in which it counts to your actual handicap when these happen we basically run 2 comps in one so that the non members that rock up can still take part.

However as a group we have our own handicap system on top of this that is updated every time we play. As we do Stableford 40 points is the line. For every shot over the 40 points you get cut .5 of a shot. Every shot under 40 points you go up by .2 of a shot. Spreads the money out fairly enough.


For some reason we are trying to move away from that now though and just want to use our official handicaps. Not sure it's going to work as well as you're not required to enter the official comp so a few people that don't bother with the comps their handicaps will stay the same and can win the side comp. I don't think anyone has realised this yet (not sure how) but I'll wait until people realise now as nobody listened before.

In the summer we also have a roll up every friday night which we also have another handicap but that's only 9 holes. I think last season I got down to like 1-2 in that which is pretty decent being a 11HC. Was quite funny when a previously scratch golfer (10 years ago) turned up and got 4 shots I was like WTF.

No substance use in casual rounds.

I think what makes it harder is everyone really, REALLY likes him, and he's otherwise a benefit to the club. We actually talked about this at committee...it would be super easy if he was an ******* that no one liked.

If I had to guess I do think we're going to go to an internal competition handicap, which I'm fine with.

I've been a member at 2 clubs with event only handicaps to spread the winning around. Also have more than a handful of members excluded from being able to win any prizes in club competitions. What he's doing is dishonest and not fair to the membership.

Well, if you do that and his handicap drops by 10 shots, I guess everyone will see if he's still likeable.

It takes a special breed to win 95% of handicap play when one "takes it seriously" and not feel an ounce of guilt.