Yep, I have no idea what it is but I have a feeling there is much more to this story than what is out there already.

This.

I am guessing that he views wealth as validation of that to himself and others. I am also guessing that he feels entitled to large chunks of cash simply for being Phil. Let's not forget his temper tantrum several years ago over having to pay taxes. I think his narcissism knows no bounds.

Possibly... maybe the Walters book coming out. Probably won't look good for Phil.

At this point I just think Phil is all-in on Liv. And why not? His sponsorships have dried up, and given his age and recent track record - last year's PGA being a very notable exception - he's not making any huge paydays on the PGA Tour anytime soon, even if he played. I guess he could try and dominate the Champions Tour, but he can make way more playing for the Saudis. And we all know he has no moral qualms about it.

Phil could apologize for it all and the Tour would likely welcome him back. But given his ego and the amount of money being thrown at him, I don't see it happening.

I honestly think Phil has dreams of Liv becoming a massive success and decimating the Tour, so he can rub it in their faces one day.

Haven't read the book yet but I heard an extended interview with Shipnuck on the NLU podcast... it's interesting because a lot of the stories in the book are about what a generous, great guy he could be. The book is not just a takedown of Phil. There's lots of great stuff in there also.

It's sad because I was always a Phil fan even with the often obnoxious FIGJAM stuff. He was fun and entertaining in a world of boring golf robots. My wife has zero interest in golf but Phil was the one guy she rooted for.

And he could so easily fix this. Just apologize sincerely and forget about the Liv Tour. That's all it would take. But his ego and/or his financial problems won't let him do it.

I'm not sure what LIV has going for it besides a lot of money. I think it's like a VC-backed startup that is having massive amounts of cash thrown at it. If they actually produce a good product it will eventually take off, but if there is nothing there besides a lot of money then it will flame out hard. My money is on the flame out scenario.

It's like a VC-backed startup where the VCs are villainous murderers on a global scale and everybody knows it.

Yeah I don't have high hopes for it. It will be a home for c-list players on the downside of their careers who just want a quick money grab, and that's it.

I think their hope was that they would start small with Phil as the marquee name with a bunch of mid-range tour and Euro tour pros, and eventually the best players would see it's a real thing and be tempted by all the money and all jump ship. But the reaction of Phil's sponsors, not to mention the public reaction, has to give the other better players pause. It's not as if they are living like paupers on the PGA Tour. Life's pretty sweet if you're a Top-50 PGA Tour player.

In all honesty the best thing would be for the entire Liv project to fold up shop before it starts. It's gonna be a s***show and a joke.

they're laundering millions upon millions.

and this

it's like an Ozark spinoff ripped from the headlines

Does anyone know if there is a place that shows what a Tour player hit off the tee on each shot? For example, Tiger hit 10/14 Fairways yesterday but was -1.921 SG Tee to Green. I noticed he was hitting less than driver a lot and I'd like to see what he hit on each tee if possible.

Thanks.

you have ten shots on every shot.....could you compete (or even win) on the PGA tour? I'm a 15 index and say no

so you're suggesting i take my best shot out of ten from every situation i could be in?
i'm also a no. i just don't have the length to cover some of the distances those hazards require.

My handicap is 1 right now and my ball speed is in the 160's, so I think I could. It might be too exhausting though

I'm going with yes also. I have good distance and I would think I can get 1 of 10 drivers in a good spot off of the tee. Also hitting the same putt 10 times would be a huge advantage as well.

Not a chance, not remotely close to long enough.

The other thing you could do is get an approach shot in the middle of the green, and then try to fire the rest of them right at it.

10 of every shot? I’m basically the same as CFW and I think this is a pretty easy yes. 10 is a lot of tries particularly around the greens. Also basically should never have a penalty shot and frankly should never make worse than par in any hole

yes, 10 tries on each shot. i'm similar to you as it would be the distance that would give me the most issues. i'd be scrambling for par on every 500+ yard par 4. and most likely every 450+ par 4.

7 index here and I think absolutely yes. With 10 shots I don't think I'm ever making a single bogey, and probably making birdie or better on every Par 5.

Even take the hardest Par 3's from Southern Hills, I'd almost definitely get one out of 10 to wedge/chip range, then from there all I need is like 12-18 feet to be a huge favorite to make the putt.

Yeah, I think anyone <10 HCP with 10 tries per shot would be a pretty firm yes. Would not take much to make par every hole as bwslim says. Maybe the massive 500 yard par 4's would be a small issue, but you'd make up for it on most par 3's and 5's. You would never three-putt, ever.

Given ample playing time with no groups behind, we could create a game with this idea. The better player hits one ball from the tee. Then the worse player makes an offer ranging from "I need one ball to beat you"(in which case the player is limited to scoring as a normal golf hole; subsequent re tee or drops are tied to the first tee shot), to "I need 10 balls to beat you"(take 10 tee shots. Select best shot. Take 10 shots from that spot, until the hole is complete).

All bets would be even money and thats part of the challenge for both players to find the right line.

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Not all handicaps are created equal. I'm a 9.2, but I'm a solid no unless you're taking the shortest courses on tour. With ten shots off the tee I'm hitting 3-4 of them in the 230 to 240 range, and that's going to be the longest. I hit my three wood fairly consistent these days, but it's only going 205-215. So at my longest (and not even considering accuracy), at least four of the par 4s at Southern Hills are holes I won't be reaching in two, and I'm hitting driver on a couple par 3s. I'm a 9.2 because of my short game so with ten shots I like my chances of getting pars, but birdies are going to be pretty hard to come by.

would you even be able to lift your arms by the last few holes?

Shortest course on tour doesn't really favor you though. If it's short for you it's short for the tour players. If the length is the distiguishing issue that will be true whether the course is 6500 or 7500 yards.

Well, you wouldn't be required to hit ten times on every shot. As soon as you hit one that you like well enough, you'd be done. Probably still need to be in great shape though.

I think the key would be able to hit it long enough to carry hazards. I think if a golfer could do that and had ten attempts on every shot he would be a real threat.