Assuming 1 in 385 is correct, odds of this 3 days in a row is 1 in 57 million

What's the course rating?

And even with self posting there should be a mechanism to have a handicap reviewed and adjusted. An official inquiry to the pro by a group of you should start the process.

Course rating is 71.3 (par 71)

http://clubsg.skygolf.com/courses/sc...d.php?id=11994

And according to the USGA chart, he was 379:1 on one day to break his score as a 4 hcp by 5 shots. so (379:1)^3

So what DID the professional staff say? Or are they the kind of jokes that don't give two craps about anyone that isn't part of the good'old boys club?

followup question: As a Donald Ross club, does it have those tiny little "**** you" greens?

So I've finally worn out my spikes.

I got online looking to get some new ones. Is there really any ****ing difference or should I just go with whichever pattern/color I prefer?

I mean I think the Cyclone looks pretty badass, but so does the Black Widow. Does any of the BS on the Softspike page matter or do I just buy some replacement spikes and say **** it?

If the use of metal spikes didn't hurt my back I'd still be using them on course that still allow them. As far as soft-spikes go, I don't think that it matters which replacements that you get. Just be sure that style of threads match up with your old ones and you're good. Also, try not to trip over them the first time on the course after they're replaced.

I really haven't noticed any difference between the different ones I've tried. Just make sure the insert system fits with your shoe (but you probably already knew that).

The greens aren't nearly as small as some other Ross courses I've played but they are probably smaller than your avg.

As for what the Club said -- my pro tweeted @ me the other day saying something about #peerreview

It is pretty asanine that this guy isn't ostracized at the Club for sitting on such a high handicap. Funniest is that people continue to play him for money (they play $3 a point wolf with par par vs bogey bogey being 44 vs 55 in the game).

Then again -- they probably all have their hcps inflated so it is about an even playing field.

So the professionals at your club have no intention of upholding the integrity of the USGA sanctioned handicap system at the place they manage. They think that this should be dealt with among the players? Interesting.

So what is one to do when a situation like this arises? Before hearing about this, I would have said "Take it to the professional's attention". That to me, seems like the most reasonable and rational route to take.

What does your pro suggest that you guys do as part of your "peer review"? Give him dirty looks? Take him into the parking lot and kneecap him? Threaten his 'good name' in the community through libel?


I don't understand. Maybe you should write a letter to the PGA explaining that this guy doesn't understand that he has responsibilities as a PGA member:


From the PGA Constitution, Bylaws and Regulations:


I don't know how big a fuss you want to make with this, but as a person who is always acting on principle, I would totally get myself ostracized if I had to, just to prove a point.

Just to be fair to him, here was the Tweet exchange:

Here's the exact Tweet:

Me: Breaking news, 4 handicap defies odds and repeats as our Club Champion. In other news, golfers submit their own scores to set their hcp

Him: @alexjhuang Golf is a game of integrity, every club in America has players post their own scores. It's called peer review. #nocapsincc

TBH, I really like this pro (his first year) and he's done a tremendous job at our Club. Just a shame that one guy at our Club is taking advantage of the self-posting system which can dilute the competitive-balance at our club.

I agree with the integrity and self-posting stuff, but when someone is obviously cheating the system, someone needs to step in. I don't actually think that the pros should be posting any scores for any of the members, but I do think there needs to be a sit-down with any problem players. Obviously I'm not saying anything you don't already know or think.


On a brighter note, I could post my last 20 scores and come out to something around 6 or 7 handicap (not kidding, fully legit I haven't been breaking 80 for a while), and the swing-breakthrough I've just made means that I can probably shoot around par again. If you want to set up a match with the cheater, I can drive over to Dayton =P (i won't do this, but damn it would be fun)

I don't think I know what peer review means in this context and would like it explained to me.

Haha -- you don't know how tempting that sounds. Maybe I need to have you for my member-guest next year...
Yeah I'm not sure either. I mean -- the fact that my friend and I independently took a stance and voiced our concerns seems like that should suffice as peer review, but apparently that's not enough

Well, here is what the USGA Handicap Manual says:

Not sure how any of that would work in practice.

I think his pro would paraphrase it to "I don't want to show a spine. Deal with it."


Please, someone tell me if I'm being unreasonable.

He's on pace to go DFL today at Kiawah

Wait, does his tweet hashtag mean "no handicaps in club championship"?

if so, why does it matter?

Yeah he misunderstood the point of the Tweet he responded to.

I wasn't complaining that he won the Club. That, he totally deserved.

The problem is that in 99% of the other events at our Club (member member, member guest, July 4 event, etc), it is all NET. When this Club Champ (who shot 70-70-70 to win the title) gets to play to a 4 in all of these events, guys who have an honest cap don't stand a chance. My Tweet was basically saying, how suspicious, a 4 hcp is able to shoot gross 70 three straight days...

gotcha. makes sense and is total bs obv.

just shot 46/45 on the same course i shot 41/42 on 2 days ago.

also, i had a 4 putt.

from 6 feet. yeaaah.

and 3 penalty strokes.

i just found oobgolf and those are the only two rounds i have in there, gonna start tracking fairways, greens and putts (and penalties i guess).

finally, just bought an r11 a couple weeks back after hitting the same offset king cobra for 5 years. i hit it a couple times a couple days after i got it, set it the way i want it (slight hook i think, 10.5) and yday hit it 40ish times at the range and by the end was smoking it straight down the middle.

used it the first nine today and went back to my old driver for the second. it just seems less forgiving than my KC. i probably should just leave the KC at home and have a trial by fire, but the extra 20 yards or so still is losing out to hitting damn fairways in my head.

buddy is going to pick up his girl and we're going another nine, i'm probably gonna stick with my old driver today, and hit the range a ton in the next few days.

putting was ****. 37 putts (vs 32 two days ago) ugh. that wouldn't be so bad if i was hitting some ****ing greens.

Things like this make me feel ******ed. I spent like 10 minutes trying to figure out how his hashtag was relevant at all and the best I could come up with was that you were wrong to capitalize "Club Champion", hence, no caps in club champion. I never connected "caps" to handicaps. I should just hang myself really.

lol'd.

The club really ought to post tournament scores. Mine used to do that, then for some reason they randomly stopped posting them. No idea why. If there was a guy like the "4 hcp" at my club who didn't post tournament scores I'd probably be asking who the club's handicap chair is and having a few polite words with him or her.

UC, here's the takeaway from me. If the club is serious enough to have events like cc and member member then it is certainly serious enough to have a handicap committee. I chair mine at my club and it's not that big of a deal, but it gives a simple method of dealing with stuff like this.

What I would do at my club in a situation like this is post the cc scores along with penalty scores.

aaaaand, 39. got completely smashed on the course. used the old driver and game was easy. 3 over is something i would take again and again and again.

1 birdie, 4 pars, 4 bogies. yespls!