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Old 03-04-2010, 06:14 PM   #426
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Re: **8*8*8 March version Two(2) ***88***8

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Don't know how many of you who still play poker, but those of you who do, do you notice any difference when you play, if you play while eating below maintenance and weight training?

Yes it definitely adversely impacts your game. I suppose it's low blood sugar. Harder to concentrate.
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Old 03-04-2010, 06:19 PM   #427
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Re: **8*8*8 March version Two(2) ***88***8

So I just failed (3/4/3) my first squat SS work-sets

Do you guys think this is due to
[ ] Running out of protein powder a few days ago, and also therefore forgetting to take creatine
[ ] Attempting to squat 400 pounds, linear progress will run out eventually LDO
[ ] it being time to get a ****ing belt
[ ] it being time to get some proper ****ing shoes and stop squatting barefoot like some kind of over-fed street urchin
[ ] The Tabata Squat Thrusters I tried for the first time two days ago.
[ ] Splitting my second pair of shorts in as many weeks and being distracted by the ripping sound at the bottom of every squat
[ ] Spending most of the night and morning before making energetic fat man love to the new LadyDodga...

Serious question on the shorts. What do you guys wear when squatting? The broskis are going to start thinking I have some kind of short splitting fetish.

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Old 03-04-2010, 06:22 PM   #428
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Get a goddamned belt, get some goddamned shoes, and that's a lot of weight.
 
Old 03-04-2010, 06:31 PM   #429
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Re: **8*8*8 March version Two(2) ***88***8

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Rather than trying to do a somewhat lean bulk by using a small caloric excess, would it be better to do what Lyle recommends to those concerned with looking good: alternate between cutting down to 10% BF and bulking up to 15% BF?

See whether Zach ate too much or not, my issue in this controversy is I think Lyle's "lean slow bulk" idea is basically a myth.

My totally unscientific theory is that if you are working out efficiently, you will put on a mix of LBM:fat that is fixed across a wide range of surpluses.

Meaning if your age and genetics are such that you put on 50/50 fat muscle, this will be true for a 500 calorie surplus or a 1500 calorie surplus.

Obviously there comes a point of diminishing returns. If you consume 20,000 calories a day your overall gain is probably going to be like 85% fat or whatever.

But the point is that threshold is quite high, way above 500 calories a day.



I also question whether anyone has really gotten SS level results on
+500 calories a day (barring freak genetics). I feel like everyone who gets to say the 150/200/300/400 5rm level goes through a period of eating a ton.

I think the reason it might look like you can bulk more leanly at +500 calories than +1500 calories is when you slow the weight gain down that much, it gives you a lot more time to mix in aerobic exercise or even mini bouts of dieting (undereating on a vacation or whatever).
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Old 03-04-2010, 06:36 PM   #430
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Re: **8*8*8 March version Two(2) ***88***8

I was gonna say that the 10-15% Lyle thing is more suited for intermediate programs rather than novice programs, since you won't be putting on too much body mass anyway as an intermediate.
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Old 03-04-2010, 07:20 PM   #431
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I just bought some "GNC Pro Performance Creatine Monohydrate". When am I supposed to take this stuff? Bottle says on heaping teaspoon with water immediately following your workout. Do that?
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Old 03-04-2010, 07:22 PM   #432
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Re: **8*8*8 March version Two(2) ***88***8

I take a teaspoon every morning w/milk b/c I assume it doesn't really matter.
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Old 03-04-2010, 07:33 PM   #433
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anyone else? thoughts on taking it every day vs just workout days and what times?
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Old 03-04-2010, 07:36 PM   #434
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Re: **8*8*8 March version Two(2) ***88***8

just ****ing take it whenever, jesus this has been asked 50x the past month
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Old 03-04-2010, 07:51 PM   #435
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lol spenda i doubt that's a question that should frustrate you. i understand newb frustration @ my suckage but a question that takes less than 5 seconds to answer should be ok. Sorry for not reading last months thread

I still <3 u tho.
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Old 03-04-2010, 07:54 PM   #436
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When someone reads something off Couch Crassmen's facebook, and then searches it on google... does anyone else accidentally type in "fagfit" or "gheyfit" by habit?
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Old 03-04-2010, 08:10 PM   #437
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I can't find Couch Crassman. It says "no results."

ETA: Oh, "Crassmen."

ETA2: lololol Eric Cressey is a mutual friend
 
Old 03-04-2010, 08:43 PM   #438
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Re: **8*8*8 March version Two(2) ***88***8

Zach's power clean, Deadlift and even press numbers all look low.
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Old 03-04-2010, 08:47 PM   #439
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his deadlift seems pretty low but his squat is very impressive at 345x5. bench is awesome too.

i think its pretty great progress for just some regular dude in 6 months.
Benching 1x bodyweight 3x5 is impressive?
Squatting 1.4x bodyweight 3x5 is impressive?

According to everyone here I am weak and I can do this. Of course, maybe like KyleB suggested with all the stored fat/energy if he really wanted Zach could maintain bodyweight and keep progressing linearly for a lot longer and actually become strong for his bodyweight.
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Old 03-04-2010, 08:49 PM   #440
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Re: **8*8*8 March version Two(2) ***88***8

You guys were talking about sumos a while back.

Check this out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEe-UIvftUg

The fight from 1.48 is awesome. He picks the other dude up, that must be like 400 or more pounds, wriggling about and trying to slap you upside the head.
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Old 03-04-2010, 09:11 PM   #441
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Re: **8*8*8 March version Two(2) ***88***8

his explosiveness is sick, he gets to their line marker on the ground as quickly as they do lol
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Old 03-04-2010, 09:23 PM   #442
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Benching 1x bodyweight 3x5 is impressive?
Squatting 1.4x bodyweight 3x5 is impressive?

According to everyone here I am weak and I can do this. Of course, maybe like KyleB suggested with all the stored fat/energy if he really wanted Zach could maintain bodyweight and keep progressing linearly for a lot longer and actually become strong for his bodyweight.

BW correlations become less meaningful as your weight increases, as many people have pointed out in this forum. A 300 pound person squatting 2x BW is a much greater feat than a 170 pound person doing the same.

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Old 03-04-2010, 09:27 PM   #443
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Re: **8*8*8 March version Two(2) ***88***8

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Benching 1x bodyweight 3x5 is impressive?
Squatting 1.4x bodyweight 3x5 is impressive?

According to everyone here I am weak and I can do this. Of course, maybe like KyleB suggested with all the stored fat/energy if he really wanted Zach could maintain bodyweight and keep progressing linearly for a lot longer and actually become strong for his bodyweight.
that is very impressive for 6 months training and given his size imo.

also, 1rm is generally a percentage of 5rm, so his 1rm will be proportionally higher than yours. i think. too lazy to do maf right now.
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Old 03-04-2010, 09:31 PM   #444
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If he can do 345x3x5, I'm assuming he can do 365-375x5.

Assuming we take the middle, this roughly projects to somewhere in the 415-435 range for a 1RM. I'd say that's impressive for somebody who has only been training for 6 months, no?
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Old 03-04-2010, 09:42 PM   #445
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0% chance he can squat over 415. It takes a decent amount of higher intensity work for those conversion tables to work. Also doubt he gets an extra 25lbs out of only doing one set.

His squat is still impressive, even at 70s depth.
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Old 03-04-2010, 09:49 PM   #446
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Re: **8*8*8 March version Two(2) ***88***8

When I did 3x5x345 my max was just under 400. Basically what Smiley said, you can't just put 70+ more lbs on your back and expect to be able to lift it.
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You guys were talking about sumos a while back.

Check this out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEe-UIvftUg

The fight from 1.48 is awesome. He picks the other dude up, that must be like 400 or more pounds, wriggling about and trying to slap you upside the head.
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his explosiveness is sick, he gets to their line marker on the ground as quickly as they do lol
An already excellent book for various other reasons, Andy Roddick Beat Me With a Frying Pan has a great chapter on "Could sumos play in the NFL?" I highly recommend it.
 
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Hmm, I guess the ability to add 70+ pounds to your 3x5 to arrive at an estimated 1RM must quickly fall off, because I've had a few friends who've had 5RM's of 350 and 1RMs of 405.
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Old 03-04-2010, 09:58 PM   #450
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Did some Tyre Flips with the big tyre at my gym yesterday.

My transition on the first one was pretty good, then it sorta went back to ****. Also turned around half way because I was about to crush someones car.

One day i'll do a proper deload week.
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