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Old 03-04-2010, 09:59 PM   #451
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Re: **8*8*8 March version Two(2) ***88***8

I'm eating at the Olive Garden and doing nothing before tryouts. I assume this is good deloading procedure, since no one in this forum responded to my posts on the subject.
 
Old 03-04-2010, 10:00 PM   #452
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that is very impressive for 6 months training and given his size imo.

also, 1rm is generally a percentage of 5rm, so his 1rm will be proportionally higher than yours. i think. too lazy to do maf right now.
bolded is way wrong. 1rm is proportional to bw. yawn.
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bolded is way wrong. 1rm is proportional to bw. yawn.
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Old 03-04-2010, 10:04 PM   #454
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Re: **8*8*8 March version Two(2) ***88***8

weight 1.4bwx5 predicted 1rm
150 213.84 242 1.61
175 249.48 281 1.61
200 285.12 321 1.61
225 320.76 360 1.6
242 345 388 1.6
250 356.4 400 1.6

http://www.exrx.net/Calculators/OneRepMax.html
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Old 03-04-2010, 10:23 PM   #455
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Re: **8*8*8 March version Two(2) ***88***8

1rm is proportional to BW if people are lifting a proportional amount of weight (in this case 1.4xbw). However people don't just automatically squat 1.4x bodyweight. The calculator is just multiplying the weight you put in by a rep factor.

I weigh 165 put in 5x360 and get 405 as the result. Thats 2.45.

1rm is proportional to 5rm. You were right the 1st time.
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Old 03-04-2010, 10:37 PM   #456
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You guys were talking about sumos a while back.

Check this out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEe-UIvftUg

The fight from 1.48 is awesome. He picks the other dude up, that must be like 400 or more pounds, wriggling about and trying to slap you upside the head.
Just read his wiki. In there:

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In his later career he tended to confront his opponents head on with the intention of out-muscling them. In training, he was reported to do multiple repetitions of biceps curls with 30 kg (66 lb) dumb-bells, and whilst in the gym with NHK commentator Hiro Morita in 2008 he reportedly bench pressed 200 kg (440 lb).
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My god. 66 kg curls?
 
Old 03-05-2010, 12:09 AM   #458
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no 66lb curls, multiple times even.
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Old 03-05-2010, 12:50 AM   #459
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Finally get a spot on when I was going for a new PR in bench. I get to the 5th rep and it looks like I'm going to be able to get it. Then the spotter gets his hands all over the bar before I have the chance to try my 5th rep.

"Nice, that was all you bro."

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Old 03-05-2010, 01:17 AM   #460
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Does anyone know how much push ups carry over to bench pressing?
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Old 03-05-2010, 01:32 AM   #462
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Does anyone know how much push ups carry over to bench pressing?
depends if they are weighted.

doing high rep pull ups has basically no effect on your bench 1rm if you are not a complete and total noob
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Old 03-05-2010, 01:39 AM   #463
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If he can do 345x3x5, I'm assuming he can do 365-375x5.

Assuming we take the middle, this roughly projects to somewhere in the 415-435 range for a 1RM. I'd say that's impressive for somebody who has only been training for 6 months, no?
Rip's post says "x 5" and not "3 x 5". So his 1RM will be way closer to the numbers given in that post.
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Old 03-05-2010, 01:46 AM   #464
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3x5 near the end of SS is basically your 5rm anyway. so it would possibly be 5x355 but not 365 and definitely not 375.
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Old 03-05-2010, 01:53 AM   #465
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See whether Zach ate too much or not, my issue in this controversy is I think Lyle's "lean slow bulk" idea is basically a myth.

My totally unscientific theory is that if you are working out efficiently, you will put on a mix of LBM:fat that is fixed across a wide range of surpluses.

Meaning if your age and genetics are such that you put on 50/50 fat muscle, this will be true for a 500 calorie surplus or a 1500 calorie surplus.

Obviously there comes a point of diminishing returns. If you consume 20,000 calories a day your overall gain is probably going to be like 85% fat or whatever.

But the point is that threshold is quite high, way above 500 calories a day.
my totally unscientific theory is that the ratio would be close over a small range of surpluses and you'd hit diminishing returns pretty early. so 200, 500, 1000 may give just about the same results, but 1500 sucks a decent bit more than 1000 and 2000 is just terrible.
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Rip's post says "x 5" and not "3 x 5". So his 1RM will be way closer to the numbers given in that post.
Ah, I just looked at what Jdock posted.
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Old 03-05-2010, 01:59 AM   #467
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my totally unscientific theory is that the ratio would be close over a small range of surpluses and you'd hit diminishing returns pretty early. so 200, 500, 1000 may give just about the same results, but 1500 sucks a decent bit more than 1000 and 2000 is just terrible.

Yeah this is entirely possible.

One thing I think is kind of funny is that most people base their opinions about this entirely on their personal experience (me included).

On one extreme you have people like ActionJeff who are like "dude you can add 30 pounds a week to your squat on a deficit with a little carb cycling", then you have people like me who could never make SS style gains without like a 1000+ calorie a day surplus.

Obv a lot of this is genetics.
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hmm i've been doing it wrong exactly like the dude in the picture there (and have arm problems from squatting which i don't know how to fix). But what else could elbows up mean?

So just parallel to the body is the way to go now?

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ya very confused also. luckily the guy used the two worst photos in the world to illustrate his point.
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I think he means the elbow needs to be lower than the bar. Under the bar is very unclear because it reminds me of the bench press. So squeezing your back and elbows up must not result in elbows that are higher than the bar. You still need to stick them out backwards to create tightness. That's the way that I understand the post.
it just means don't excessively rotate your shoulders to get your elbows way up just to keep your upper back tight. it's of no real benefit.

i've been playing with it. i kinda think about it like if i were doing a behind the neck lat pulldown. my elbows go slightly back, but i stopped trying to force them way up. i feel just as a secure and it's an easier position to hold.
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anything in the past 300 posts i should care about?
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I don't think so.
 
Old 03-05-2010, 03:22 AM   #471
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Picked up a TRX Suspension Trainer a few weeks ago from someone on Craigslist since it was ridiculously underpriced. I've been eyeing them for awhile with the idea that I could do some interesting things with suspension training that I can't do for my pitchers using traditional implements, and the constant stream of TRX mocking and humorous posts on IGX led me to pull the trigger on one.



To be fair, **** like this is open for ridicule (though I'm sure it's hard):



But Cressey talked a bit about it for core stabilization work, and it looks pretty promising for rows and other fall-out movements. Hooked it up today and played with it a bit; it's pretty cool. Definitely wouldn't pay the $180 for it, but I got it for half that and it's worth it for me.
 
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Rip's post says "x 5" and not "3 x 5". So his 1RM will be way closer to the numbers given in that post.
i always figured the 3x5 was implied since they're still talking linear gains. I think your true 5RMs and 3x5s are pretty close. my last 3x5 was 335. Maybe I coulda squeaked out 345x5, but I wouldn't bet on it.
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Old 03-05-2010, 03:29 AM   #473
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i like the trx, ive used it a couple of times, i think rings are better. the thing i hate about the trx as far as push ups is that if you keep your elbows tucked in or at a 45 degree angle, the strap really cut into your arms. its badass for a bunch of other stuff though, one arm body rows are awesome, and doing one leg burpees with a foot in the strap is pretty cool
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Old 03-05-2010, 03:31 AM   #474
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Yeah, the one-arm body rows and other sagittal-related work is the main reason I got it. One-leg burpees sound... dangerous. Maybe I'm not conceptualizing it correctly.
 
Old 03-05-2010, 03:42 AM   #475
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i commented on some guys comment on that poundstone video, where he said, "finally a use for kettlebells" as they were being used to hold a rack in place. dude isn't weak at all, but he DLs 400 and has to press 135 for rest pause reps, so i said maybe if he did some kettlebells he wouldnt only 400 and actually get legit sets of presses with 135(my point is that you probably should be way stronger than anyone who uses a method you criticize if you feel your methods are better, and this guy clearly isn't).

some other idiot who squats 205x5(great form though) makes a comment on my channel that he likes how i criticize someone who deadlifts 400 and presses 135 while i am only pulling 166 pounds of kettlebells for 3 reps(and its 176x3 btw). hmmm, a 400 DL, a 135 MP and 176x3 swing to shoulder height with 1 arm. one of these things is not like the others.

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