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12-12-2011 , 06:49 PM
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Originally Posted by SublimeT
no. i just saw this 2 cent bet.
Normally a min bet is just a symbol for a bad hand at nl2 so i thought wtf and shoved it...
And you think he's calling your shove with a "bad hand" why? A min-bet is often a drawing hand, so just raise it up to $0.17-$0.23 or so to charge his draw. A shove just picks up a 11bb pot and loses 96bb when he shows up with J9, TT or 88.
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12-12-2011 , 06:53 PM
if u thought he had a bad/weak hand then it really doesnt make sense to shove. He'll never call u then. dont u want to get any value from your KK?

Its a very wet board and u wanna raise this but make a normal raise. bet pot or maybe a little more since its 2nl.
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12-12-2011 , 06:56 PM
*like SCF said. didn't see his response...
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12-14-2011 , 02:54 AM
OK, somewhat embarrassing hand where I got caught up in some FPS, but then lucked out on the river. My question about bet sizing.

Villain is 20/21, 13% 3bet, 90% cbet, fold to raise OTF 3/4, over 142 hands. On the flop, I tried a bluff raise (repping, 88/99, maybe A8 or A9, which seems reasonable 3 handed) which is probably FPS, and on the turn I took another shot, which is probably a spew (especially as I should have bet more if I wanted to sell my bluff).

Then on the river, I hit the nuts. What bet gets called here? Do I shove and hope it looks like a desperation bluff? Or bet 1/3 to 1/2 pot and hope for a call (or maybe that he decides I am weak and shoves over me)? Or just a straight value bet of 2/3 pot to pot?

I'm thinking is that my hand is well disguised because of my silly play on the flop and turn. If I were Villain, I'd have a very hard time putting me on on QJ, 77 or 7x here, but there is 7 to a straight on the board.

Merge - $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 3 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

BTN: $22.90
SB: $10.00
Hero (BB): $10.44

SB posts SB $0.05, Hero posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero has Q J

BTN raises to $0.28, fold, Hero calls $0.18

Flop: ($0.61, 2 players) 8 A 9
Hero checks, BTN bets $0.40, Hero raises to $1.10, BTN calls $0.70

Turn: ($2.81, 2 players) 6
Hero bets $1.40, BTN calls $1.40

River: ($5.61, 2 players) T
Hero bets ???
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12-14-2011 , 11:26 AM
i would push, it seems he has a hand that he is willing to stack
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12-14-2011 , 05:14 PM
weird hand I played today - first hand 4 handed starting a new table (50NL), BTN (decent grinder, always sits with 40bb so we're $20 deep eff) opens (1.5), I 3b JJ to 4.5, he 4bets to 7.5 and types 'AA' in the chat. I feel confused.
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12-14-2011 , 11:46 PM
^^ doesnt matter what he types, generally we are going to have a set range we're getting in against scumbag ss's and JJ is def strong enough
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12-15-2011 , 08:11 AM
PokerStars - $0.02 NL (9 max) - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

Hero (UTG+1): $6.37
MP: $1.73
MP+1: $0.76
LP: $1.96
CO: $1.70
BTN: $2.38
SB: $1.45
BB: $1.71
UTG: $8.71

SB posts SB $0.01, BB posts BB $0.02

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero has Q A

fold, Hero raises to $0.07, fold, MP+1 calls $0.07, fold, fold, fold, fold, BB calls $0.05

Flop: ($0.22, 3 players) 9 4 A
BB bets $0.12, Hero calls $0.12, fold

Turn: ($0.46, 2 players) J
BB bets $0.12, Hero calls $0.12

River: ($0.70, 2 players) Q
BB bets $0.86, Hero calls $0.86


villain was a 70 / 30 / 3 ....

i called, what would u do?
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12-15-2011 , 02:43 PM
^raise flop, raise turn, folding river
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12-15-2011 , 02:55 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by 0equity
^raise flop, raise turn, folding river
+1
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12-15-2011 , 03:02 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by 0equity
^raise flop, raise turn, folding river
Not so sure about raising the flop. Why would the villain be donking with the flush draw? Tough to decide without more reads on villain (i.e., how often does he donk and have we seen any prior donk from him?). Often this will be Ax from villain. In a vacuum, it is probably a raise (because a fish will likely call a raise with any Ax), but I think past donking habits of the fish are particularly important here.

Otherwise agree, when he bets small on the turn, a draw starts to look more likely.

On river, I think this is borderline, but probably a fold as played. The mall bet, small bet overbet river line from a fish is so often either (a) a draw that got there, or (b) a slow-played big hand (i.e., a set - never mind that slow-playing a set like this is idiotic). It's possible that category (b) includes weaker 2-pair hands, but not nearly often enough for this to be a call.
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12-15-2011 , 03:14 PM
this guy looks like such a fish he could be doing this with any Ace and a ton of his flush draws and we only need to worry about 44/99/A9/A4 which is just a small part of his donking range. I want to get max value out of hands like AT which are never folding and it won't be that hard of a decision to fold to a repop. So yeah it isn't an optimal spot since we don't really know this guy's donking habits but he's a 70/30 since I'm just going to assume he's a drooler and will be taking this line with worse often (I see fish donk their draws with weak bets all the time).
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12-16-2011 , 04:27 AM
Merge $10.00 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players
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CO: $15.82
BTN: $16.16
Hero (SB): $19.81
BB: $10.00
UTG: $10.00

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is SB with J A
2 folds, BTN raises to $0.20, Hero calls $0.15, BB calls $0.10

Flop: ($0.60) A 5 Q (3 players)
Hero bets $0.40, BB folds, BTN calls $0.40

Turn: ($1.40) 3 (2 players)
Hero bets $1.05, BTN folds






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BTN: $15.67
SB: $11.83
Hero (BB): $20.24
UTG: $10.15
CO: $13.69

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is BB with Q K
1 fold, CO raises to $0.30, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.20

Flop: ($0.65) 3 K 8 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $0.43, Hero calls $0.43

Turn: ($1.51) 5 (2 players)
Hero bets $1.00, CO folds






Merge $10.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
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UTG: $9.55 - VPIP: 47, PFR: 0, 3B: 0, AF: 1.3, Hands: 30
Hero (MP): $11.00 - VPIP: 23, PFR: 19, 3B: 7, AF: 4.5, Hands: 1295
CO: $9.72 - VPIP: 24, PFR: 13, 3B: 2, AF: 1.6, Hands: 119
BTN: $5.37 - VPIP: 42, PFR: 0, 3B: 0, AF: 3.0, Hands: 52
SB: $9.57 - VPIP: 25, PFR: 16, 3B: 0, AF: 7.3, Hands: 106
BB: $10.00 - VPIP: 22, PFR: 16, 3B: 0, AF: 3.5, Hands: 49

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is MP with Q Q
1 fold, Hero raises to $0.30, CO calls $0.30, 3 folds

Flop: ($0.75) K 8 A (2 players)
Hero bets $0.40, CO calls $0.40

Turn: ($1.55) A (2 players)
Hero bets $1.00, CO folds
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12-16-2011 , 04:29 AM
Merge $10.00 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players
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BTN: $11.21 - VPIP: 14, PFR: 11, 3B: 0, AF: 7.0, Hands: 79
Hero (SB): $11.98 - VPIP: 23, PFR: 19, 3B: 7, AF: 4.5, Hands: 1295
BB: $14.39 - VPIP: 41, PFR: 35, 3B: 4, AF: 6.6, Hands: 117
UTG: $13.72 - VPIP: 44, PFR: 0, 3B: 0, AF: 0.4, Hands: 116
CO: $10.10 - VPIP: 22, PFR: 18, 3B: 8, AF: 7.7, Hands: 201

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is SB with J A
2 folds, BTN raises to $0.40, Hero calls $0.35, BB calls $0.30

Flop: ($1.20) 8 5 J (3 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, BTN bets $0.90, Hero calls $0.90, BB calls $0.90

Turn: ($3.90) 5 (3 players)
Hero bets $2.30, BB folds, BTN folds


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UTG: $10.16
Hero (CO): $14.09
BTN: $13.08
SB: $9.96
BB: $10.20

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is CO with J J
1 fold, Hero raises to $0.30, BTN calls $0.30, SB calls $0.25, 1 fold

Flop: ($1.00) 2 9 Q (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.70, BTN folds, SB calls $0.70

Turn: ($2.40) Q (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $1.40, SB calls $1.40

River: ($5.20) K (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks
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12-16-2011 , 05:37 AM
u often do those turn big bets with just a pair?
I used to keep the pot small without having at least two pair.
But iam new maybe my play is wrong, isnt it?
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12-16-2011 , 12:47 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by 0equity
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UTG: $9.55 - VPIP: 47, PFR: 0, 3B: 0, AF: 1.3, Hands: 30
Hero (MP): $11.00 - VPIP: 23, PFR: 19, 3B: 7, AF: 4.5, Hands: 1295
CO: $9.72 - VPIP: 24, PFR: 13, 3B: 2, AF: 1.6, Hands: 119
BTN: $5.37 - VPIP: 42, PFR: 0, 3B: 0, AF: 3.0, Hands: 52
SB: $9.57 - VPIP: 25, PFR: 16, 3B: 0, AF: 7.3, Hands: 106
BB: $10.00 - VPIP: 22, PFR: 16, 3B: 0, AF: 3.5, Hands: 49

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is MP with Q Q
1 fold, Hero raises to $0.30, CO calls $0.30, 3 folds

Flop: ($0.75) K 8 A (2 players)
Hero bets $0.40, CO calls $0.40

Turn: ($1.55) A (2 players)
Hero bets $1.00, CO folds
AJ and KQ hands look fine. Not so sure about this one. I don't think villain has many Kx hands in his calling range, but he has plenty of Ax and pocket pairs. On the turn, you are getting called by any Ax hand, and you might even get called by a Kx hand if villain decides that two aces on the board means its less likely you have an ace. At the same time, all of the underpairs are probably going to fold to a second barrel on that board.

So it seems to me that you are not folding out any better hands and you are unlikely to get called by worse. The villain looks reasonably passive/fishy, so I would consider a check on the turn. If he checks behind, you can value bet the river with a better chance of getting called by some underpair.

The drawback is that you are in a tougher spot if he bets the turn after you check. The it becomes a question of whether I have seen the villain float the flop and make a turn float bet before.
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12-23-2011 , 02:02 AM
Two hands against the same player: 58/4, 0% 3bet, AF(F/T/R): 0.7 (0.2/1.3/2) over 52 hands. The second hand occurred about 3 hands after the first. Given that the opponent seems to be the epitome of a loose-passive player, are these clear folds? Should I have folded hand 2 OTT?

Merge - $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

Hero (MP): $16.17
CO: $21.69
BTN: $11.02
SB: $11.91
BB: $16.62
UTG: $8.13

SB posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero has A T

fold, Hero raises to $0.30, fold, BTN calls $0.30, fold, fold

Flop: ($0.75, 2 players) 2 J 4
Hero bets $0.37, BTN calls $0.37

Turn: ($1.49, 2 players) A
Hero bets $0.74, BTN calls $0.74

River: ($2.97, 2 players) 5
Hero bets $1.48, BTN raises to $3.06, Hero ?


Merge - $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

Hero (BTN): $13.28
SB: $21.59
BB: $13.91
UTG: $11.86
CO: $16.47

SB posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero has A A

fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.30, fold, BB calls $0.20

Flop: ($0.65, 2 players) T 5 T
BB checks, Hero bets $0.48, BB calls $0.48

Turn: ($1.61, 2 players) 9
BB checks, Hero bets $1.07, BB raises to $2.24, Hero calls $1.17

River: ($6.09, 2 players) K
BB bets $3.40, Hero ?
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12-23-2011 , 01:00 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by SCF
Two hands against the same player: 58/4, 0% 3bet, AF(F/T/R): 0.7 (0.2/1.3/2) over 52 hands. The second hand occurred about 3 hands after the first. Given that the opponent seems to be the epitome of a loose-passive player, are these clear folds? Should I have folded hand 2 OTT?

Merge - $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

Hero (MP): $16.17
CO: $21.69
BTN: $11.02
SB: $11.91
BB: $16.62
UTG: $8.13

SB posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero has A T

fold, Hero raises to $0.30, fold, BTN calls $0.30, fold, fold

Flop: ($0.75, 2 players) 2 J 4
Hero bets $0.37, BTN calls $0.37

Turn: ($1.49, 2 players) A
Hero bets $0.74, BTN calls $0.74

River: ($2.97, 2 players) 5
Hero bets $1.48, BTN raises to $3.06, Hero ?


Merge - $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

Hero (BTN): $13.28
SB: $21.59
BB: $13.91
UTG: $11.86
CO: $16.47

SB posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero has A A

fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.30, fold, BB calls $0.20

Flop: ($0.65, 2 players) T 5 T
BB checks, Hero bets $0.48, BB calls $0.48

Turn: ($1.61, 2 players) 9
BB checks, Hero bets $1.07, BB raises to $2.24, Hero calls $1.17

River: ($6.09, 2 players) K
BB bets $3.40, Hero ?
Hand 1:
Bet more on the turn, fold river. He has you beat.

Hand 2:
Fold turn he probably has JT
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12-23-2011 , 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by 0equity
Merge $10.00 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players
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BTN: $11.21 - VPIP: 14, PFR: 11, 3B: 0, AF: 7.0, Hands: 79
Hero (SB): $11.98 - VPIP: 23, PFR: 19, 3B: 7, AF: 4.5, Hands: 1295
BB: $14.39 - VPIP: 41, PFR: 35, 3B: 4, AF: 6.6, Hands: 117
UTG: $13.72 - VPIP: 44, PFR: 0, 3B: 0, AF: 0.4, Hands: 116
CO: $10.10 - VPIP: 22, PFR: 18, 3B: 8, AF: 7.7, Hands: 201

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is SB with J A
2 folds, BTN raises to $0.40, Hero calls $0.35, BB calls $0.30

Flop: ($1.20) 8 5 J (3 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, BTN bets $0.90, Hero calls $0.90, BB calls $0.90

Turn: ($3.90) 5 (3 players)
Hero bets $2.30, BB folds, BTN folds


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UTG: $10.16
Hero (CO): $14.09
BTN: $13.08
SB: $9.96
BB: $10.20

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is CO with J J
1 fold, Hero raises to $0.30, BTN calls $0.30, SB calls $0.25, 1 fold

Flop: ($1.00) 2 9 Q (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.70, BTN folds, SB calls $0.70

Turn: ($2.40) Q (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $1.40, SB calls $1.40

River: ($5.20) K (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks
Like both hands, wp. What was SB's stats in hand 2 ?
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12-23-2011 , 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by 0equity
Merge $10.00 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players
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BTN: $15.67
SB: $11.83
Hero (BB): $20.24
UTG: $10.15
CO: $13.69

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is BB with Q K
1 fold, CO raises to $0.30, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.20

Flop: ($0.65) 3 K 8 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $0.43, Hero calls $0.43

Turn: ($1.51) 5 (2 players)
Hero bets $1.00, CO folds



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UTG: $9.55 - VPIP: 47, PFR: 0, 3B: 0, AF: 1.3, Hands: 30
Hero (MP): $11.00 - VPIP: 23, PFR: 19, 3B: 7, AF: 4.5, Hands: 1295
CO: $9.72 - VPIP: 24, PFR: 13, 3B: 2, AF: 1.6, Hands: 119
BTN: $5.37 - VPIP: 42, PFR: 0, 3B: 0, AF: 3.0, Hands: 52
SB: $9.57 - VPIP: 25, PFR: 16, 3B: 0, AF: 7.3, Hands: 106
BB: $10.00 - VPIP: 22, PFR: 16, 3B: 0, AF: 3.5, Hands: 49

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is MP with Q Q
1 fold, Hero raises to $0.30, CO calls $0.30, 3 folds

Flop: ($0.75) K 8 A (2 players)
Hero bets $0.40, CO calls $0.40

Turn: ($1.55) A (2 players)
Hero bets $1.00, CO folds
Hand 1:
I'm checking turn here, that 5 shouldn't scare him and make him fire again.

Hand 2:
With 2 aces out his more likely to have a Kx combo so betting might not be bad b/c if he has a Kx hand he will probably check it down. Would have been a more interesting hand if you would have taken out that CO folds.
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12-26-2011 , 12:54 AM
Only had a 26 hand sample but he was running 57/27 with a 66 AFq and 25% 3bet. Felt like his stack off range OTT would be 2pair, lower sets and A5.

Merge - $0.04 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

CO: $2.90
Hero (BTN): $4.84
SB: $6.54
BB: $4.58
UTG: $4.00

SB posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.04

Pre Flop: ($0.06) Hero has 7 7

fold, CO raises to $0.11, Hero calls $0.11, fold, fold

Flop: ($0.28, 2 players) 2 7 4
CO checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($0.28, 2 players) 3
CO checks, Hero bets $0.21, CO raises to $0.42, Hero raises to $1.31, CO raises to $2.79 and is all-in, Hero calls $1.48

River: ($5.86, 2 players) K
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12-26-2011 , 12:59 AM
Also this hand.. only 65 hand sample but running 34/25 and had been noticeably passive post flop. Calling my DB made me weary of another bet OTR simply because I felt like he could easily have Q8s-KQ, 45,56 CCing the BB with those stats. I'm thinking with a board like that w villains tendencies = c/f turn is the optimal line?


Merge - $0.04 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

CO: $7.31
BTN: $3.18
Hero (SB): $5.33
BB: $3.29
UTG: $4.58

Hero posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.04

Pre Flop: ($0.06) Hero has 7 7

fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.16, BB calls $0.12

Flop: ($0.32, 2 players) 5 5 Q
Hero bets $0.21, BB calls $0.21

Turn: ($0.74, 2 players) Q
Hero bets $0.49, BB calls $0.49

River: ($1.72, 2 players) 6
Hero checks, BB bets $2.43 and is all-in, Hero ???

Last edited by Shagz; 12-26-2011 at 01:22 AM.
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12-26-2011 , 02:43 AM
^h1 bet the flop, there's like no reason to check it back this guy looks like a drooler and will call with anything

h2 I think turn is a bit thin w/ 77 on a double paired board since we're only vbetting his fd combos and 66 (though I'd bet with 88). just c/f turn against a passive guy and don't c/c river.
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12-26-2011 , 11:19 AM
hand 1 bet the flop

hand 2 fine fold river
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12-26-2011 , 12:05 PM
Turn is too thin in hand 2, Bottom vbet ott for me is like TT
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