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01-10-2012 , 10:15 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pocho Willy
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NL Holdem $0.10(BB) Replayer
SB ($6.03)
BB ($4.15)
UTG ($10.34)
UTG+1 ($17.06)
Hero ($11.99)
BTN ($9.85)

Dealt to Hero Q K

fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.30, BTN calls $0.30, fold, fold

FLOP ($0.75) 7 Q Q

Hero bets $0.50, BTN calls $0.50

TURN ($1.75) 7 Q Q 4

Hero bets $1.30, BTN calls $1.30

RIVER ($4.35) 7 Q Q 4 3

Hero bets $3.40, BTN raises to $7.75 (AI), Hero...
Villain stats or reads? Particularly 3bet and cold calling tendencies? (And, if he is decent, your stats?)

Against a fish, I snap-call because he has a lot of worse Qx hands in his range.

Against a good player, it becomes harder. He reps a very narrow range here (77 and maybe a 44 that floated a paired flop to see if you would fire again), but raising a third barrel here is a very strong move and I don't see any non-maniac bluffing here. I don't see how you can fold getting 3.5:1 here and I'm sure I never find a fold in game. After thinking about it, I'm not so sure we are good the 22% we need (if villain is a thinking villain).
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01-10-2012 , 11:37 PM
Ya, ya BBV etc. But seriously, this seemingly happens pretty often; this is fine right?

FWIW SB is 14/9 w/ 7% 3-bet through like 20 hands, UTG is 50/14 fish.


    Merge, $0.02/$0.04 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #11623642

    MP: $4.65 (116.3 bb)
    CO: $4 (100 bb)
    BTN: $5.79 (144.8 bb)
    SB: $4 (100 bb)
    Hero (BB): $6.80 (170 bb)
    UTG: $5.02 (125.5 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with A K
    3 folds, BTN calls $0.04, SB completes, Hero raises to $0.20, BTN folds, SB raises to $0.57, Hero calls $0.37

    Flop: ($1.18) 9 8 A (2 players)
    SB bets $0.92, Hero calls $0.92

    Turn: ($3.02) 7 (2 players)
    SB bets $2.51 and is all-in, Hero calls $2.51

    River: ($8.04) T (2 players, 1 is all-in)

    Results: $8.04 pot ($0.40 rake)
    Final Board: 9 8 A 7 T
    SB showed 9 9 and won $7.64 ($3.64 net)
    Hero showed A K and lost (-$4 net)



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    01-11-2012 , 03:04 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Pocho Willy
    Grabbed by Holdem Manager
    NL Holdem $0.10(BB) Replayer
    SB ($6.03)
    BB ($4.15)
    UTG ($10.34)
    UTG+1 ($17.06)
    Hero ($11.99)
    BTN ($9.85)

    Dealt to Hero Q K

    fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.30, BTN calls $0.30, fold, fold

    FLOP ($0.75) 7 Q Q

    Hero bets $0.50, BTN calls $0.50

    TURN ($1.75) 7 Q Q 4

    Hero bets $1.30, BTN calls $1.30

    RIVER ($4.35) 7 Q Q 4 3

    Hero bets $3.40, BTN raises to $7.75 (AI), Hero...
    agains fish snap, against reg (read= thinking non robotic regular) this should be a fold tho it sucks. he raises QTs, QJs, AQ, 77 44 here but even regs tend to realize that u are very strong here so they dont always raise those queens eve. plus, its sickening but there is just one queen left so a boat is more likely. fold otr and go puke somewhere

    baluga theorem: he expects u to call given the odds. hence fold
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    01-11-2012 , 03:05 AM
    he can also have 56s fwiw
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    01-11-2012 , 03:40 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Pocho Willy
    Grabbed by Holdem Manager
    NL Holdem $0.10(BB) Replayer
    SB ($6.03)
    BB ($4.15)
    UTG ($10.34)
    UTG+1 ($17.06)
    Hero ($11.99)
    BTN ($9.85)

    Dealt to Hero Q K

    fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.30, BTN calls $0.30, fold, fold

    FLOP ($0.75) 7 Q Q

    Hero bets $0.50, BTN calls $0.50

    TURN ($1.75) 7 Q Q 4

    Hero bets $1.30, BTN calls $1.30

    RIVER ($4.35) 7 Q Q 4 3

    Hero bets $3.40, BTN raises to $7.75 (AI), Hero...
    Snap call.
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    01-11-2012 , 04:01 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Auts
    Snap call.
    not
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    01-11-2012 , 12:34 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by QandA201
    Ya, ya BBV etc. But seriously, this seemingly happens pretty often; this is fine right?

    FWIW SB is 14/9 w/ 7% 3-bet through like 20 hands, UTG is 50/14 fish.


      Merge, $0.02/$0.04 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #11623642

      MP: $4.65 (116.3 bb)
      CO: $4 (100 bb)
      BTN: $5.79 (144.8 bb)
      SB: $4 (100 bb)
      Hero (BB): $6.80 (170 bb)
      UTG: $5.02 (125.5 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is BB with A K
      3 folds, BTN calls $0.04, SB completes, Hero raises to $0.20, BTN folds, SB raises to $0.57, Hero calls $0.37

      Flop: ($1.18) 9 8 A (2 players)
      SB bets $0.92, Hero calls $0.92

      Turn: ($3.02) 7 (2 players)
      SB bets $2.51 and is all-in, Hero calls $2.51

      River: ($8.04) T (2 players, 1 is all-in)

      Results: $8.04 pot ($0.40 rake)
      Final Board: 9 8 A 7 T
      SB showed 9 9 and won $7.64 ($3.64 net)
      Hero showed A K and lost (-$4 net)



      Get the Flash Player to use the Hold'em Manager Replayer.
      I assume you mean that the limper on the BTN is the 50/14 fish. However, SB's line preflop looks very odd - overlimp out of position and then 3bet oop? Why would he just call a fish limp and then 3bet a reg who has position on him? This only makes sense if you are raising limpers in the BB a very high percentage of the time and he has a premium hand. Or maybe some crap like suited connectors which he is now 3betting light b/c you are a reg and might fold to a 3bet (though that's an idiotic line for him oop).

      Calling in position here seems fine to me. When you have TPTK, I think you have to call down because I have no clue what he has after his preflop actions - he seems to just be clicking buttons. Definitely take a note.
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      01-11-2012 , 06:09 PM
      im stacking off pre on the AK hand, so weird his line, dont expect him to have QQ+ ever on this spot
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      01-11-2012 , 11:50 PM
      Quote:
      Originally Posted by SCF
      I assume you mean that the limper on the BTN is the 50/14 fish. However, SB's line preflop looks very odd - overlimp out of position and then 3bet oop? Why would he just call a fish limp and then 3bet a reg who has position on him? This only makes sense if you are raising limpers in the BB a very high percentage of the time and he has a premium hand. Or maybe some crap like suited connectors which he is now 3betting light b/c you are a reg and might fold to a 3bet (though that's an idiotic line for him oop).

      Calling in position here seems fine to me. When you have TPTK, I think you have to call down because I have no clue what he has after his preflop actions - he seems to just be clicking buttons. Definitely take a note.
      Yeah, sorry about that, BTN was the fish.
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      01-12-2012 , 01:10 PM
      Quote:
      Originally Posted by kidacao
      im stacking off pre on the AK hand, so weird his line, dont expect him to have QQ+ ever on this spot
      Yea, this. I 4bet/call this preflop.
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      01-13-2012 , 06:18 PM
      Bump.
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      01-14-2012 , 05:26 AM
      Villain was bad, 45/12 with a 3bet of 6 over 82 hands. He'd played one pretty spazzy hand, but had gotten his stack primarily from a flopped flush + flopped OESFD which he played aggro and stacked some shortstacks.

      My thinking is pretty much "he won't stack off with worse, will bet FD but won't call off with it, so I just call it down and let him bet. Oh, he checked river, he'll probably only call AK that I beat and I'd hate to get c/r so I just check back river", and I'm sure it's flawed

      Boss Media - Ł0.25 NL - Holdem - 5 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

      CO: Ł25.33
      Hero (BTN): Ł45.27
      SB: Ł45.67
      BB: Ł4.63
      UTG: Ł5.37

      SB posts SB Ł0.12, BB posts BB Ł0.25

      Pre Flop: (Ł0.37) Hero has T T

      fold, fold, Hero raises to Ł0.75, SB raises to Ł2.00, fold, Hero calls Ł1.25

      Flop: (Ł4.25, 2 players) T K A
      SB bets Ł2.25, Hero calls Ł2.25

      Turn: (Ł8.75, 2 players) 5
      SB bets Ł4.50, Hero calls Ł4.50

      River: (Ł17.75, 2 players) 4
      SB checks, Hero checks
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      01-14-2012 , 07:59 AM
      I think this Should be an easy value bet. In no actual or theoretical universe do fish not bomb the river with better than trip tens here. Most likely holding is either AT, AK or AQc or AJ maybe even KQc that he chose overplay so I would bet a medium bet between $6.75 and $10 and look to be called by worse a fair amount of the time. (he didn't bomb flop or turn either so that should often tell us he is not AS strong as he could be )
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      01-14-2012 , 09:43 AM
      fwiw i like your line up until the river though
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      01-14-2012 , 12:06 PM
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      NL Holdem $0.05(BB) Replayer
      SB ($1.12)
      BB ($1)
      UTG ($6.34)
      Hero ($7.26)
      BTN ($7.45)

      Dealt to Hero 9 9

      UTG calls $0.05, Hero raises to $0.20, BTN calls $0.20, fold, BB calls $0.15, UTG calls $0.15


      FLOP ($0.82) 6 8 7

      BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets $0.58, BTN raises to $1.75, BB calls $0.80 (AI), UTG folds, Hero calls $1.17

      TURN ($5.12) 6 8 7 J

      Hero checks, BTN checks

      RIVER ($5.12) 6 8 7 J 3

      Hero checks, BTN bets $2.95, Hero folds

      hows this overall? btn is 18/14 player on 2 of my 4 tables (hiding from search so dunno how many total).. bb is 50/3
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      01-14-2012 , 01:35 PM
      whats the buttons agg frequency?

      river is a fold i expect to see two pair/sets here alot.
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      01-14-2012 , 01:56 PM
      24%... fcb is 33% but only over 3 times.. so [ ] samplesize
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      01-14-2012 , 02:48 PM
      Quote:
      Originally Posted by henrikjs
      Villain was bad, 45/12 with a 3bet of 6 over 82 hands. He'd played one pretty spazzy hand, but had gotten his stack primarily from a flopped flush + flopped OESFD which he played aggro and stacked some shortstacks.

      My thinking is pretty much "he won't stack off with worse, will bet FD but won't call off with it, so I just call it down and let him bet. Oh, he checked river, he'll probably only call AK that I beat and I'd hate to get c/r so I just check back river", and I'm sure it's flawed

      Boss Media - Ł0.25 NL - Holdem - 5 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

      CO: Ł25.33
      Hero (BTN): Ł45.27
      SB: Ł45.67
      BB: Ł4.63
      UTG: Ł5.37

      SB posts SB Ł0.12, BB posts BB Ł0.25

      Pre Flop: (Ł0.37) Hero has T T

      fold, fold, Hero raises to Ł0.75, SB raises to Ł2.00, fold, Hero calls Ł1.25

      Flop: (Ł4.25, 2 players) T K A
      SB bets Ł2.25, Hero calls Ł2.25

      Turn: (Ł8.75, 2 players) 5
      SB bets Ł4.50, Hero calls Ł4.50

      River: (Ł17.75, 2 players) 4
      SB checks, Hero checks
      This is definitely a value bet, and if you are c/r then it's a pretty easy fold.

      Given your depth I think you can raise the flop if your description of villain is accurate, not only for value but protection is important given the number of bad turn and river cards.
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      01-14-2012 , 03:29 PM
      Grabbed by Holdem Manager
      NL Holdem $0.05(BB) Poker Stars
      SB ($2)
      Hero ($5.27)
      UTG ($3.43)
      UTG+1 ($5)
      CO ($12.53)
      BTN ($2.62)

      Dealt to Hero A 3

      fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to $0.10, SB calls $0.08, Hero calls $0.05

      FLOP ($0.30) 4 9 3

      SB checks, Hero bets $0.15, BTN folds, SB raises to $0.65, Hero calls $0.50

      TURN ($1.60) 4 9 3 7

      SB bets $1.25 (AI), Hero??


      villain 44/33 over 9 hands, nothing noteworthy

      thoughts on all streets?
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      01-14-2012 , 04:08 PM
      Quote:
      Originally Posted by dadude77
      thoughts on all streets?
      Preflop is standard.

      Call on flop is OK, since we probably have 14 outs (sb is a shorty and is probably playing any pair fast). I think I prefer a shove on the flop, though. Even if you discount your non-flush outs to 3 instead of five, you are flipping and should have some FE with a shove on the flop.

      Fold turn is a pretty clear fold imo. He needs to also have a flush draw (or be bluffing with air) here a little more than 20% of the time for the call to be profitable. There are a lot more combos of made hands than FD's in his range. You also don't have enough reads to know that he would semi-bluff a flush draw on the turn.
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      01-14-2012 , 04:35 PM
      alright thank you and thoughts on this (sorry standard spots im sure, thats why im posting here and not making threads.

      Grabbed by Holdem Manager
      NL Holdem $0.05(BB) Poker Stars
      SB ($6.78)
      Hero ($6.52)
      CO ($7.55)
      BTN ($8.86)

      Dealt to Hero A Q

      CO raises to $0.20, fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.50, CO raises to $1.20, Hero calls $0.70

      FLOP ($2.42) J 3 8

      Hero checks, CO checks

      TURN ($2.42) J 3 8 8

      Hero checks, CO bets $1.30, Hero folds

      CO wins $2.30

      is it better to just flat here pf? if 3 bet fold to 4bet? player is like 26/20 but raises 1st in like 40 percent
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      01-14-2012 , 04:38 PM
      Quote:
      Originally Posted by dadude77
      Grabbed by Holdem Manager
      NL Holdem $0.05(BB) Poker Stars
      SB ($2)
      Hero ($5.27)
      UTG ($3.43)
      UTG+1 ($5)
      CO ($12.53)
      BTN ($2.62)

      Dealt to Hero A 3

      fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to $0.10, SB calls $0.08, Hero calls $0.05

      FLOP ($0.30) 4 9 3

      SB checks, Hero bets $0.15, BTN folds, SB raises to $0.65, Hero calls $0.50

      TURN ($1.60) 4 9 3 7

      SB bets $1.25 (AI), Hero??


      villain 44/33 over 9 hands, nothing noteworthy

      thoughts on all streets?
      just get it in OTF
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      01-14-2012 , 05:11 PM
      Villain is 26/19, 3bet 5% (1/18) over small sample (58 hands). cbet 44%(4/9), Tcbet (0/1), AF 2, fwiw. I'm running 28/19 over a small sample, 1 for 1 fold to 3bet.

      Is this a fold after the 3rd barrel? Or should I expect him to show up with QQ, JJ and AQ here after he bet the flop small? His small flop bet and then large turn bet is throwing me off.

      Merge - $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

      UTG: $11.67
      Hero (CO): $17.92
      BTN: $6.46
      SB: $10.00
      BB: $17.71

      SB posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

      Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero has K Q

      fold, Hero raises to $0.30, fold, SB raises to $1.00, fold, Hero calls $0.70

      Flop: ($2.10, 2 players) K 5 4
      SB bets $0.80, Hero calls $0.80

      Turn: ($3.70, 2 players) 8
      SB bets $2.46, Hero calls $2.46

      River: ($8.62, 2 players) 5
      SB bets $5.74 and is all-in, fold
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      01-15-2012 , 12:15 AM
      fold pre man!
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      01-15-2012 , 06:12 PM
      Merge - $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

      BTN: $9.87
      Hero (SB): $17.30
      BB: $16.86
      UTG: $8.39
      CO: $9.94

      Hero posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

      Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero has K K

      fold, fold, BTN raises to $0.30, Hero calls $0.25, BB calls $0.20

      Flop: ($0.90, 3 players) J 4 4
      Hero bets $0.70, fold, BTN raises to $2.10, Hero calls $1.40

      Turn: ($5.10, 2 players) 7
      Hero bets $3.00, BTN raises to $7.47 and is all-in, Hero ???


      BB was a fish that plays tightish pre but is a total station post, so I called pre trying to get him to come along. Pretty sure that the turn is a fold, but I'm not quite sure. Thoughts?
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