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01-17-2011 , 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by King Spew
stop playing the blinds. Never say never.....but never "defend" your blinds in micro FR, bet for value (but it should be strong value against range).

Oh and while I am on the Never kick..... never call a potsized or bigger river bet. This alone will make you a winner.
Does this potsized bet rule also apply to situations where I am holding top set on a flushy board with a smaller set and a flush showing up like the 4h 4s Qh 8h Jx when I am holding queens? I find it even harder to fold here, perhaps that is getting me in trouble as well.
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01-17-2011 , 04:02 PM
Re the hand: You are stacking 137bb with top pair jack Q kicker and dirty outs to a J high four flush. Thats the problem.

Since you shove over you must think you have at least 40% equity of not more. What can he possibly have that you beat? It seems to me you did not ask yourself that question before shovng
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01-17-2011 , 04:02 PM
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Originally Posted by nsipid
Does this potsized bet rule also apply to situations where I am holding top set on a flushy board with a smaller set and a flush showing up like the 4h 4s Qh 8h Jx when I am holding queens? I find it even harder to fold here, perhaps that is getting me in trouble as well.
by top set u mean QQ? this is a full house buddy
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01-17-2011 , 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted by playertee
by top set u mean QQ? this is a full house buddy
I special, durr. *blush*
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01-17-2011 , 04:14 PM
Okay, I can see now that I need to pay more attention to bet sizes on the turn and river when putting opponents on hands, and quit worrying about being bluffed when I really don't have the equity against this tighter range. I am also going to cut back on tables.. (no more than 2, maybe 3 if they are crazy fish and push me into nit mode). I am going to spend some time on the boards and my hand histories building some situational hand ranges so I can get more "accurate" pokerstove results on these post flop decisions.

I also need to get a better grip on the bet sizes I should be making as well, I think I worry too much about things like my AA and KK's not paying off and tend to raise only 3BB pre-flop.

Thanks for your help, I will be sure if Im still having loads of trouble at 30k to post any stats in the stats thread, my apologies.
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01-17-2011 , 04:26 PM
to answer your question.... sets for the most part are worth a buy-in unless the board is very coordinated...as in 4 to a str8 or flush.

But top set in particular is almost always an auto-stackoff. Bottomset is a loser...not the hand, the poster(I always wanted to say that ) Seriously, even bottom set can be taken to the river...but again look at the board to see if you really have the goods.

But typically my advice about never calling big rivers is solid gold, especially with TPTK and overpair hands. QQ on a board T9436 rainbow is NOT a stackoff hand, fold to the turn raise. Learn how (when) and against whom to fold TP or OP hands is a key to advancing out of the micros. So much so that if you hold AA against any non-aggromaniac and you get raised on the turn (even the flop at times...but that's a bit of a leap for a beginning hand reader).... the BEST option is to fold. Tough concept to grasp,,, but learning when you are behind at the earliest opportunity can save your BR from damage. AA is only a one pair hand that has little chance of improving once the flop is on the felt.
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01-17-2011 , 06:15 PM
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Originally Posted by nsipid
Does this potsized bet rule also apply to situations where I am holding top set on a flushy board with a smaller set and a flush showing up like the 4h 4s Qh 8h Jx when I am holding queens? I find it even harder to fold here, perhaps that is getting me in trouble as well.
why are you folding a book?
Did you mean top pair not top set?
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01-17-2011 , 06:34 PM
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Originally Posted by pele02
Imo your stats look fine and I wouldn't change much.

For the AIPF stuff. FR is much tighter than 6max so when you get 3/4bet by a 8/5 from EP it's time to re-evaluate the hand. 20k hands could also mean you are running bad. Analyze the hands and take it from there.

Called preflop stuff. You need to filter those hands and analyze them. Fold some of the hands or 3bet some instead of calling.

But as I said I wouldn't change much, your stats look pretty solid to me.
Thanks,

i can't tell you how painful it is to not 3 bet AQ 100% of the time!
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01-17-2011 , 07:41 PM
Hey guys,
Im gonna say this before i start to save flaming;

1, I know the sample size is small but please take that into consideration.
2, It may be in the wrong section of the forum therefore mods move as appropriate.
3, I well come all advice and constructive criticism.
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Right ive come to the point where ive spent 2 years messing around with poker and its time to really start taking it more serious. But I want to know whether it is going to be profitable in the long term to play cash or SnGs/MTTs.

Lifetime ive played about 22.5k hands which are all 5nl FR or 5nl rush FR, here are a few stats. If there is anything blatantly obvious that needs fixing please point them out, if there are any further stats that need posting feel free to ask.






If it looks solid then I will proceed to post some hands for discussion to see if there are any leaks in hands played.

Thank you for your time!

Tom
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01-18-2011 , 05:28 PM
What are BE, Average and good win rates for PreFlop activity? (HEM PreFlop Activity report) unopened
1 limper
2+ limpers
raiser
raiser + callers
2 + raisers
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01-18-2011 , 05:29 PM
Is there a sticky somewhere tha has recent FR win rates for the reports in HEM?
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01-18-2011 , 05:59 PM
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Originally Posted by King Spew
to answer your question.... sets for the most part are worth a buy-in unless the board is very coordinated...as in 4 to a str8 or flush.

But top set in particular is almost always an auto-stackoff. Bottomset is a loser...not the hand, the poster(I always wanted to say that ) Seriously, even bottom set can be taken to the river...but again look at the board to see if you really have the goods.

But typically my advice about never calling big rivers is solid gold, especially with TPTK and overpair hands. QQ on a board T9436 rainbow is NOT a stackoff hand, fold to the turn raise. Learn how (when) and against whom to fold TP or OP hands is a key to advancing out of the micros. So much so that if you hold AA against any non-aggromaniac and you get raised on the turn (even the flop at times...but that's a bit of a leap for a beginning hand reader).... the BEST option is to fold. Tough concept to grasp,,, but learning when you are behind at the earliest opportunity can save your BR from damage. AA is only a one pair hand that has little chance of improving once the flop is on the felt.
+100000000000000, not folding one pair hands is win rate killer at the micros when the action screems you are beat. Then, reading the villians ranges well at small stacks is the next level.
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01-19-2011 , 12:17 PM
So true. It seems I've gotten so good at knowing when to fold 1 pair hands, unfortunately I always call to prove myself right, which is killing my winrate.
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01-20-2011 , 02:50 AM
I need to figure out why I suck so bad from the blinds. It's killing my game. I see ppl w/ worse BB/100 than me that have way way better SB and BB win rate (still negative) but nonetheless.

Is there a COTW anywhere about blinds? I don't even really steal very often, and when I do it's almost always successful.

Thru 118K hands..my win rate for ea. position is as follows:
....................................VPIP.........P FR...........FLOP C-BET
SB: -28.96 BB/100...........11.7........7.3..........83.5
BB: -51.16 BB/100............7.3.........3.9..........89.2
EARLY: +11.96 BB/100.......8.7.........6.7..........74.1
MIDDLE: +13.91 BB/100.....10.5........8.7.........77.1
CO: +13.26 BB/100...........16.3.......14.3........ 81.6
BUTTON: +21.79 BB/100.....21.69......18.5.........83.8
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01-20-2011 , 10:08 AM
I think you should be winning more from btn/co actually. The SB number could be better but -51 bb/100 at bb is acceptable though getting it to -30 is reasonable.
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01-20-2011 , 11:57 PM
Here is my graph, I'm not sure what's going on.


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01-21-2011 , 12:00 AM
sample size?
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01-21-2011 , 12:01 AM
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Originally Posted by sexdotcom
sample size?
Last ~7k hands
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01-21-2011 , 12:02 AM
Small sample size. Chances are you started off on a heater and now are just dealing with variance / run bad. I would re-evaluate your game and then just try to grind it out.

If you cannot break the funk over 20k / 30k hands I would seriously try to learn how to play poker. No offense.
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01-21-2011 , 12:03 AM
It looks like you have either hit a run bad stretch or that you are playing your B game. If you want I can do a sweat and see where you are leaking money. I play 25NL FR and have a decent winrate. PM me if you wanna do that.
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01-21-2011 , 12:04 AM
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Originally Posted by ilb3
Small sample size. Chances are you started off on a heater and now are just dealing with variance / run bad. I would re-evaluate your game and then just try to grind it out.

If you cannot break the funk over 20k / 30k hands I would seriously try to learn how to play poker. No offense.
'try to learn how to play poker'

lol.... if you lose $10K a day playing poker, you're still playing poker.

@OP, post losing hands here and ask for advice. Lots of stuff to learn, as I am still learning every day. Dunno if you're rolled for it but maybe get some coaching. I'd just start with posting hands where you question your play though.
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01-21-2011 , 12:06 AM
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Originally Posted by fast11375
It looks like you have either hit a run bad stretch or that you are playing your B game. If you want I can do a sweat and see where you are leaking money. I play 25NL FR and have a decent winrate. PM me if you wanna do that.
Would this offer count for me too? Playing 10NL FR rush atm but I'm sure I have too many leaks.
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01-21-2011 , 12:08 AM
Sure, anyone who's interested.
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01-21-2011 , 12:12 AM
History: Began playing around Christmas. Killed it for about 15k hands. Then hit huge variance / downslope / idk and have not been able to break out of breaking even or going negative.

How do you guys think I should proceed based on stats?




Last edited by ilb3; 01-21-2011 at 12:19 AM.
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01-21-2011 , 12:13 AM
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Sure, anyone who's interested.
Seems very nice can't pm atm though because of my postcount, do you have something like MSN messenger?
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