It's been a fun progression anyway.

Nobody let Vintage in on the memo that those who root for more than one team lose trash talk privileges on behalf of all of them.

no I meant RB for comparing what denver is doing to the wildcat. passes like that were not even in the playbook for guys like ronnie brown or brad thomas.

Why is it limited to RBs? There are mobile QBs who could've easily made that play, we discussed them earlier ITT.

the whole point is that anyone who says it will be easy to stop him because the wildcat only worked for a few weeks is dumb and comparing apples to elephants.

meanwhile gus has been wrong on basically everything he has said itt

Well, except when he hated on Boise State. He was onto something there.

Really? Maybe on some assertions, but my overall points about Tebow being a poor QB and Denver not getting enough credit are true. The Bears would have exposed the Broncos if they had Cutler and Forte in this game. The Broncos won't be successful when they match up with an non-fragmented team (Bears, Chiefs, Dolphins, and Vikings all have problems on at least one side of the ball.)

I'm so confident the Patriots will beat them next week, that I'll change my avatar to Tim Tebow and I <3 Tebow as my location if they (Patriots) lose next week.*


lol, you don't even watch the games. You just look at the result. Tebow was 3/15 with 1 pick during the game at one point. See, it's easy to pick a point in time and just look at that. Tebow was massively unsuccessful today, and the final success came from a conservative Bears defense that allowed for Tebow to make passes towards the middle of the field in order to bleed off the clock. Also massive credit needs to be given to Barber for allowing this to happen in the first place.

i don't think anyone has ever had to deal with as many qualifying factors as tebow. "if they didn't win, he would have lost!"

oh wow picking a 6 pt favorite, don't get ahead of yourself buddy. quite the bold prediction

this part is just so so so dumb.

I never said it would be easy to stop. I said that eventually NFL teams will solve it and Tebow-style offenses will be inffective.

I used it as a comparison for an unusual NFL offense that stumped defenses initially when zz said there was no basis for any defense adapting to Tebow.

Tim Tebow will be a starting NFL QB in 2014 +300

Yeah but you can't use something that is an apples to oranges comparison as a basis in the first place lol. That's the point!

Also I was talking about tebow the individual, not the actual style of offense:
this isn't about some crazy new offensive scheme that denver is running and taking the world by storm with; it's about the fact that he has historically gotten the job done despite the multitude of "cons" that people find with his playing style. so my position that he will continue to get the job done one way or another has a solid foundation, whereas the people who have "reasons" to believe otherwise are basing their reasons on things that just don't apply because there hasn't been a tebow before.

this is a "his whole is greater than the sum of his parts" type of situation.

Can we stop going in circles? There have been Tebow's just not ones with offenses designed around them. We already discussed Vick would be more successful than Tebow if currently inserted in Denver (assuming God isn't real).

It isn't apples and oranges. NFL defenses adapt. His skillset IS NOT UNIQUE. In fact some defenses have been effective at stopping Tebow, but due to injuries, horrible coaching and player mistakes, variance etc the Broncos continue to win. It will level off. It's not sustainable.

lol ok

I mean, the last drive of regulation was the Bears seemingly going into full-on prevent when all Denver needed was a field goal in mile high altitude, which is really weird, but the drive before that they were playing a more normal defense (albeit likely with softer cushions by the corners) and Tebow did crank it up and lead a pretty impressive drive.

While I can't agree with all of the pro-Tebow talking points, I think those who declare him to be absolutely terrible are being overly extreme. Yes the Broncos defense deserves a lot of props, but these comebacks can't happen without Tebow leading an undertalented offense down the field for these scores. Granted I'd still way rather have Rodgers, Brady, Brees, or even Eli Manning leading my team down the field late, but Tebow is still doing a nice job and if I wasn't broke I think I'd take action on mullen's +300 line of Tebow starting games in 2014.

To be clear LKJ, I mean that Tebow will be a regular starting NFL QB, not that he will start a game in 2014 (random garbage time start or being a 2nd/3rd string QB and starting a game because of injury doesn't count).

I'm a bit conflicted because while I enjoy watching Tebow succeed and think he's good for the NFL (and obviously epic comeback nailbiters are fun to watch), many of Tebow's supporters are delusional about his future NFL prospects and ability in general, so I think I'll also enjoy watching him crash and burn.

Yeah I mean at +300 I'd take him to either break camp as the starting QB or to otherwise start at least 8 games in the season.

But yes I wouldn't do this bet at even money.

So you don't have faith in Tebow? Got it.


No, because everyone is being results oriented and ignoring the real factors as to why the Broncos are winning. Tebow has done nothing extraordinary.


I actually have no idea why more teams don't run a hurry up offense. The NFL is lolbad at stopping 2 minute drills.

Oh come on. Not having faith in him to outduel Brady is hardly an indictment of a second-year QB.

Patriots have the worst pass defense by yardage in the league. So when the Broncos are down, Tebow should inevitably be able to run an easy 2 minute drill to win. Minnesota, for reference, are ranked 26th.

Gotta say, their offensive coordinator is a genius. He is clearly exploiting teams with poor running defense with running and poor passing defense with passing.

you wouldn't have made the same comment if they were playing the colts or dolphins next weekend. stop being the nut low sports watcher.

he has done enough for them to win. which is approximately 100000x more than any of you haters thought he was capable of.

you make it seem like people believe he is head and shoulders above peyton manning or something and is guaranteed to win 10 superbowls. nobody believes that.

I'm not sure how I'm the "nut low sports watcher" when clearly I have watched Tebow's last two games, and I am evaluating him based on his play. Nothing has showed me that starting Tebow over Orton is +EV, yet they cut Orton, so the Broncos are really ****ed going into next year.

It's funny how everyone is so quick to admit to Tebow being God and whatnot but are cowering from the Patriots game. The Broncos have had the most success against poor passing defense teams; this should be an easy win according to that trend.

No one makes these types of proclamations when any other below-average QB wins.

I rushed the court when we beat Long Beach State in an almost meaningless game to end the regular season to sneak into our ****ty conference tourney as the last seed

It was glorious

nothing has shown you other than going 7-1 now instead of 4-14 like orton the past two seasons. If you think that doesnt mean anything then Im not sure what youre watching. I dont think you realize how hard it is to have a 7-1 stretch in the NFL, especially without a receiver in the top 50 of the league. If you watched the game like you said you would have realized that they dropped EVERYTHING in the first three quarters. Thomas let a 60-yard td pass go right thru his hands.

your entire argument has now devolved down to "anyone who cant beat the patriots must suck"

how many below average QBs win 7 of 8? that's probably why you don't see these proclamations very often.