Yeah you don't need to be here.

How is it a reversal of the truth? When everyone assumed Denver would lose supporters were already damage controlling saying it was all the receiver's fault, LOL. It's documented on the forum. Also, if Tebow plays well in a loss, I will give him credit. I will not come on and say I told you so if Tebow plays good vs the Pats and ends up losing. In fact I won't say that even if they lose (even though the defense is horrible, so Tebow should be able to play well) because losing to the Pats isn't surprising.

I've posted ITT I think Denver is a better team with Tebow as their QB than Orton. Obviously Tebow has had some factor in the winning streak but far greater factors are the defense, luck, and horrible coaching/playing by the other teams. I mean the Chicago and San Diego games were a complete joke WRT this.

This is impossible to quantify because the offense would be entirely different but if they had a serviceable to above-average starter they would have won every game they won or damn close to it. If they had Andy Dalton and variance was as much on his side as Tebow's they'd be 6-2 minimum IMO. Every other team has just played so ****ing terribly.

Most of those passing yards were against the idiotic prevent defense that Chicago decided to play. Tebow had like 60 yards passing with 5 minutes left in the 4th quarter. Again, ******ed coaching, and he would've got the ball back with 15 seconds left with no chance to win if Marion Barber wasn't a complete bonehead.
At least Tebow is likable whereas Roethlisberger is a despicable rapist.

the REAL question is...

how many wins would the Broncos have if SAM BRADFORD was the QB?!?!

Why are they even playing Bradford at this point? Sit him out and get him healthy for next year.

yes and john fox is a reincarnation of vince lombardi, and denver has never had any bad luck in regards to getting fgs blocked or receivers dropping every pass thrown to them. its the same defense they had at the start of the year, perhaps a change in overall game strategy due to tebow is a reason for improved performance.


this is just all random speculation but dalton is bad. with dalton they would have no running threat along with no passing threat unless they get aj green in the trade package.

yeah when his receivers start catching passes they get more passing yards. crazy.

for some reason people dont seem to think that the reason they are much better at the end of games is that defenses get worn down when you pound them with the run for 50 minutes. chicagos d looked exhausted.

no not at all. I'ma jets fan. Tebow going to denver is just giving me an excuse to honestly say all the things i ever said about sanchez.

also since seattles playing this seems like an appropriate time to express my outrage at olindo mare being the worst most anti-clutch field goal kicker in nfl history, he is like -4 wins for carolina this year.

No. Fox is an idiot, the opposing coaches are just worse. I mean the Chi/SD games aren't really debatable and Denver loses those games the vast majority of the time and just ran really good to win. If you don't acknowledge this that is just strange/weird.


I just picked someone I thought was an average NFL QB, even though you stated ITT that Tebow is above average, so I could've picked someone better than Dalton. Also, if they had an above average QB, who knows if they would've ever dealt Lloyd. McGahee had similar rushing numbers pre-Tebow while being banged up so I don't see how they'd have no rushing attack. I strongly, strongly, disagree that they'd be any worse than 6-2 with any above average QB assuming variance stayed the same (on their side).


Right. Optimal strat - "pound the run" and score 0 points with paltry offensive numbers to tire out the defense, then win a game you're probably a 50:1 dog to win due to idiocy by the opposing team.

Receivers drop important passes on nearly every team every week in the NFL.
Not that Denver's receivers are great or anything but Tebow throws a much worse ball than other NFL QB's. While I'm of the belief that NFL receivers should catch almost any ball they can get 2 hands on it's still much more difficult to catch balls thrown behind you, low, or wobbly - which Tebow throws quite often. The increase in passing yards was a direct result of the prevent D. Again, debating this is a little absurd.

did you watch the game yesterday? a normal amount of drops is expected and people havent even brought it up in earlier games (it is also a little absurd to debate that he is working with the worst receiving unit in the nfl). letting a 60 yard td go right thru your hands though is as much a game changer as any bad play marion barber made and haters dont seem to hesitate bringing those up as good luck while ignoring the bad luck.

Yeah I personally think decker and thomas are pretty good WR(yes gus even with that terrible drop) and have solid potential to be a good 1-2 combo. The broncos just need a solid slot man and a go to tight end.

No it isn't. When you drop a pass early in the game you adapt and still have time to recover - in running OOB you take a game that is locked up and give Denver a shot to win. Also Barber running OOB was a mental blunder and those are completely unacceptable.

They happened at different times in the game. Saying they are the same is silly. If Barber fumbled in FG range in the 2nd quarter it's not nearly as bad as in OT.

I'm no NFL expert but I agree the Denver receiving corps is amongst the worst in the NFL. Their receivers aren't bad though and had off games yesterday but it's not like Tebow makes it any easier. I'm sure they are frustrated their QB is aerially challenged.

how is a mental blunder any different? its all part of being a football player. if thomas doesnt drop that pass (or the other 5) then barber doesnt have a chance to make any of those mistakes since they are losing

yes you cant just add and subtract plays but 7 points in a game that finished 10-10 in regulation seems pretty ****ing huge

on a separate note the mnf game is a bucket of aids but i have to watch to pull for seattle defense

You have no idea of that. Both teams would have played the game differently from that point on. Saying that if he catches that ball Denver is guaranteed a win is just lol.

I just don't see how you can say dropping a TD pass early in the game is the same as running out of bounds when falling dowin inbounds all but seals the game for your team. Barber's error was far worse and had a much greater impact on his team's chance to win than Thomas'.

I saw one brief replay of the Decker drop, and the ball looked to be overthrown. That was not an easy catch by any means. I expect that catch to made 1 out of 5 times.

i never said it was the same, just that it is absolutely ******ed to focus on the luck on one side while ignoring it on the other.

gus i dont know what play you are talking about but all of us were discussing the demaryius thomas miss

SEATTLE. THE DEFENSES HAVE TO HOLD.

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you dont agree that they are both game changers?

congrats on finding some word technicalities though, at least you arent naming wrong players and blatantly making things up like gus

No I agree they are both game changers. I just don't think they are equivalent. When you said "as much a game changer" I thought you meant to the same degree. If not then I apologize for misunderstanding but your wording is in line with my interpretation.

Yeah, I meant Thomas. Got them confused when Decker's name was mentioned.



OMG, I made a name mistake. Everyone knew which play I was referring to even if I said the wrong WR. Big deal.

actually youre right they arent equivalent. advancednflstats has barber running out of bounds lowering their expected win % from 93 to 92. thomas's drop was much more impactful

http://live.advancednflstats.com/ind...id1=2011121111

now the fumble was huge, id focus on that

Hee hee.

Honestly I was pissed when we let him leave without a fight, but obviously Carroll and Schneider knew something that everyone else didn't. We let him leave just at the right time. Carroll/Schneider are an amazing duo where personnel moves are concerned so far...aside from that Whitehurst trade, which has been a ridiculous joke, they draft well and make really good moves. Hope we can keep Marshawn, though the price tag may start to verge on unreasonable with his late push during this, his contract year.