Kinda Bummed da Cougars lost tho

Yes it should, unfortunately it won't be. It's a shame.

My friend reminded me today, too...back when OSU and Michigan were undefeated headed toward their rivalry game, people were talking rematch. SEC fans were crying like crazy that Florida should get a shot instead and they shouldn't be letting conference runner-ups into the title game. Now Bama gets in and it's fine. The whole thing is a crime.

Keep in mind that LT is on the Lion bandwagon as well. And didn't turn his TV on during the home stretch of Wisconsin-MSU.

i think theres a decent shot of osu getting in after obliterating OU while bama didnt play. they will be ahead in most if not all of the computers. i can see them second in a lot of ballots, but honestly it will probably come down to who pushes their agenda with a horrible vote. i can see sec homers submitting a poll something like

lsu
bama
boise
oregon
stanford
georgia
arkansas
ok st

Rap Music>greater than watching cfb ldo

There's a huge gap going into this week between Bama and Oklahoma State. I don't know how beating Oklahoma could close THAT much ground. Granted I think they should, but I just don't see it happening. I'd be very surprised.

SEC homer and all obviously but the big 10 was just so pathetically weak (and still is of course) that it is not at all comparable man. I mean it isn't like UF went there and eked out a victory in OT... It was a 41-14 straight curbstomping. If somehow it ends up being Okie lite vs LSU and Okie wins by 30 I will eat my words but come on.

It has to do with the whole name on the helmet thing. If UF/texas/OSU/OU etc have a high ranking and a super easy schedule (like the big 10 was that year) of course they are heading to the big game.

SEC has won the last 5 championships. People can bring up conference strength average and stuff (for which the SEC is clearly not head and shoulders above everyone else), but all that matters for the MNC is how the top performers are playing, and LSU-Bama are on a whole other level. OSU is going to get curbstomped if they somehow make it in.

/resultsoriented
/homer

I think I read they had to get unanimous 3rd place votes or something to makeit. iggy mcfly in SE does a weekly rundown of what needs to happen.

edit:
LSU -138
ALABAMA +112
OKLAHOMA ST +2400

I realize the SEC homers are going to rationalize a way for it to be okay that a team that can't win its own division gets a bye to the title game.

Bama has not proven to be on a whole other level, except for being LSU's closest upset call. Their signature wins are meh, unlike Oklahoma State's. This is all just SEC resting on past laurels. The whole thing is a joke. I don't want a national title game where only one team going into the game can lay legitimate claim to the title afterward.

Bad losses are way more important than signature wins and always have been. I really don't care who LSU plays because they will win no matter what, just saying that OSU going over Bama would be a complete travesty. At least let the MNC be a close one.

Also, wrt only 1 team being able to legitimately claim a championship, there are 2 scenarios here... OSU goes vs LSU and wins, or Bama goes vs LSU and wins.

You really think that OSU who lost to IOWA STATE would have a more legitimate claim? Both teams would hypothetically beat LSU to bring this about, but bama lost to the #1 team whereas OSU lost to like the 60th. LKJ come on my dude that is insane. The only way to reconcile your legitimacy claim is to just crown LSU champions right now.

edit: another factor is WHEN in the season the 1 loss occurs. Losing in the last game = no shot. LSU this year MAYBE could have done it but it would've been super weird. The earlier your loss is, the better. Michigan lost in the final game. If Bama was in SEC east instead of SEC west and had just played LSU in the SECCG and lost by 3, we wouldnt be having this conversation. They wouldn't have deserved a rematch.

And the way it should be. OSU lost to Iowa state and Alabama lost by 3 to LSU and could've won the game if they didn't suck at kicking some of their FGs. Alabama has shown that they can hang with the best team and rightfully deserve to play in the title game. If we are going to put so much emphasis on the system, then OSU doesn't deserve any consideration for the title game because of losing to an average team.

I know LKJ was trying to argue that OSU had more quality wins or something, but there schedule wasn't even that hard. They also barely beat Texas A&M. Their 2 only really solid wins are against Baylor and Oklahoma and both those were home games.

Alabama beat Auburn and Penn state on the road and Arkansas at home; 3 solid wins right there.

Anyone who argues for OSU should actually compare the 2 schedules and ignore that LSU and Alabama already played a game (seems people really think that a rematch should never happen, which is absurd), and he'll see that Alabama is the deserving candidate.

you seem to be mixing arguments about what will happen and what should happen. there is no logical or intelligent reason that a loss in the last week should be more damaging than a loss four week ago or eight weeks ago.

You seem mad. I thought you told me you didn't hate the SEC. Seems you really do, though.

Is it fair? Not really, but the BCS is flawed and that's just the way it is.

Also, LSU had a bye anyway. If they lost, they most likely would have made the title game anyway.

bama lost at home. osu lost on the road. not including kansas st or @missouri as solid wins is lol if youre going to count auburn.

i also dont know why people dismiss missing field goals as if the quality of your kicker has no impact on your teams ability to win games. having a **** kicker is a meaningful flaw.

lol I mean dude honestly? Losing in week 1 then going undefeated is not the same as going undefeated then losing in your final game.

What if okie lite had lost 2 game instead of 1? Do they still deserve it since bama didnt win their conference? That is what the argument reduces down to if you want to stick with it.

thats a good point, I think they should subtract .05 from each win on your record every week since later games are clearly different than early season games

i mean youre honestly saying that one team should get a benefit over another just because they happened to draw a team like lsu in week 4 instead of week 10?

Kansas st. is overrated and Missouri is just average. Missouri also killed Iowa State this year.

Auburn and Alabama is a big rivalry and while Auburn isn't super great this year, it's not an easy conference game regardless.

auburn is 65th in sagarin predictor

the "another" team in that scenario is if Bama was in the SEC east and had just today played LSU in the seccg and lost by 3... So we are comparing that to Bama in their current state. Yes I don't think you should go to the MNC if you lose in that situation, but they should in the current one.

I mean if LSU lost to arky a couple weeks back, putting them at #2 (or 5 or w/e you want - arky was at 3) and Bama at #1, then they go and beat UGA 43-10 what do you do? Bama vs OSU? OSU vs LSU, leaving out #1 bama? This is assuming that LSU would rightly jump back up to #2 after beating UGA.

The last game is the only one you can't mess up and still make it in imo.

that hypothetical doesnt make sense because if lsu lost to arky then they wouldnt have played today anyway, but as stated i would still vote lsu 1 and osu 2 because those 2 teams earned huge points by crushing very good teams today while bama obviously earned no points by not playing.

teams have lost the last game and still made the championship before, several times

yeah but that is using what did happen instead of what should have happened as justification which is what you argued against 10 posts ago.

what team has lost to someone as bad as iowa state and made it?

Can anyone actually make a legitimate argument as to why Oklahoma State should play over Alabama besides the illegitimate Alabama lost to LSU argument?

You can compare the schedules and wins and losses and you'll get pretty much that both teams had some quality wins, Oklahoma State may have played a slightly tougher schedule, but that is negated by their close wins to certain teams such as A&M. Alabama had no close wins and obviously the close game against LSU. So their (both schools) one loss is the deciding factor. Alabama lost to the best team in the country, and Oklahoma State lost to an average team at best.


Nothing indicates that Oklahoma State should get in over Alabama. People just don't want to see a rematch, which is an invalid reason.

gotta agree with gus here

i dont feel like looking back too far but in 2007 lsu lost to kentucky and at home to an arkansas team that finished 4-4 in conference and lost their bowl game by 31.

Wow a lot of posts appeared.

This really isn't all that convoluted; too many arguments are springing up. Alabama failed to win its division, let alone its conference. Teams that don't win their conference should be automatically disqualified. It does not matter how loaded their conference is; these things happen in sports, as I hashed out with disko.

Alabama had a clear path to the title game, and stubbed their toe in a game at home. They failed, therefore they are eliminated. Now a title game between Bama and LSU is just a battle to see whether LSU is rightly crowned the champ or robbed of the title since Alabama has zero claim to the national title no matter what happens.