Oklahoma losing hard to K State is another example. They got to the title game and got rolled.

If not Okie State, the other worthy candidate is Oregon. They have a good case to make too, and I ****ing hate Oregon.

you are ignoring that bama lost at home and ok st did on the road. that counts for a lot

and just because you say that the wins are the same quality doesnt make it true. no one is denying the sec is the best conference, but alabama dodged both uga and south carolina. auburn is not a good win

Not really. LSU is the best team in the country, so Alabama losing to a better team at home isn't a huge deal. Obviously, Oklahoma State losing on the road isn't as big as them losing at home. I look at this being a big factor normally, but in this case, not really.

if that is the odds to make the ncg then lsu should be -10000000000

thats the odds to win.

Well LSU already won the national title this year. We're just arguing over who gets to be in the supporting cast.

i think it would be a travesty to let Oklahoma St. into the NCG over Alabama. we play the entire regular season in order to establish who the #1 and #2 teams are and then pit them in the NCG. i just don't understand how anyone can argue that Oklahoma St. has made a better case for being the #2 team than Alabama has.

i definitely understand why people wouldn't want alabama in the NCG -- rematches are boring, don't prove anything, etc. etc. but you can't just ignore the rules if things aren't going exactly how you want.

you can't just say: "ok guys, here's the system we're playing under this year. schedule your games and play them according to how this computer system will rank you at the end of the year" and then all of a sudden flip things on them at the last second. going into this season, teams were told you have two ways of getting into the NCG. be #1 or #2. alabama is #2. they deserve to be in.

i also agree with dkgo that early season losses = late season losses.

i think the computers having oklahoma st above alabama make it a decent argument that the polls who vote OSU #2 arent just manufacturing a reason out of thin air. They were already ahead in two and the ones which are available now ahead in 4 out of 6, with sagarin staying on alabama. One is unknown. That means they need to be voted #2 in a quarter of the ballots (assuming everyone puts either OSU or Bama third also, otherwise it changes a tad).

Disko,

The unadulterated facts courtesy of Iggy in SE:

Even throwing out the conference winner thing for a moment...

It would be a TRAVESTY for Oklahoma State to get in with the same record as Alabama based on that relative competition?

I know Tennessee and Auburn are both godawful this year but lower than Iowa State?? Sagarin is rigged.

edit: what time is it getting announced today?

I'm surprised Tennessee was that high really. Man they've fallen hard. I was wondering the same about time of announcement. Going to the IU hoops game in a while but am checking for poll updates hard in the meantime.

Its like 830 tonight

maybe not a travesty but i think alabama has the objectively better resume. it may also depend on whether you care about a team's ranking at the time of the game or a team's ranking at the end of the season in evaluating SOS. fwiw i think there are arguments for both.

also, if we're assuming that LSU is #1, it's very hard to keep out an alabama team that lost by the slimmest of margins to the consensus #1.

don't get me wrong guys -- i would much rather see oklahoma st play LSU. i just believe that, under these rules, alabama needs to play.

prediction at the spread for this game? bama really has no shot here?

What is it that you think Alabama has done, really? You're mostly propping them up based on their loss. Their resume is not that great. It's really no better than Oklahoma State's. They ducked two teams in the top half of the SEC. Everything broke their way, including getting to be at home for the LSU game, and they just didn't get it done.

They not only barely lost to the consensus #1 but they actually looked better than LSU in that game.

Eye test.

Numbers slowly trickling out, situation is looking very dire for okie right now.

God zugz, this is nothing you should even want. You like Alabama?

barely losing to the #1 team is a hell of an argument for being the #2 team. (it is almost impossible for another team to get any closer than alabama did. and we're forced to assume that nobody can beat LSU since LSU is the consensus #1 therefore, alabama must logically be the #2 team).

being the #2 team is sufficient for a place in the NCG.

lol what type of argument is this? theres a lot of teams that can beat LSU, you dont just have two teams and say one will always win

God these arguments are tilting the **** out of me. It's absolutely tragic if this turns into a rematch in which Alabama can't lay claim to the national title unless they beat LSU by a lot. This is truly awful.

Anyway headed to the sports bar in a few and then to the IU game so I'm out. If it's going down this way then I've never been more disgusted with the BCS, and that's saying something.

but you're supposed to assume that the higher ranked team would win at least 51 out of 100 games vs the lower ranked team, right?

No I hate alabama. But I would prefer the MNC to be close, and feature the two best teams. OSU is just not a good candidate.

ncg should be lsu and bama and anyone that says otherwise has something seriously wrong with them unless they just don't follow cfb in which case they shouldn't have an opinion

coming from the least intelligent sports poster next to christoph that means a lot

bamas entire case is based on a loss at home. ok state has wins.

this is a good point but you're ignoring the eye-test. again, whether or not this system should/does allow for something like an eye-test is arguable.