Is this a post college thing? I have heard people give the opposite advice at least for college, that you should try to talk to everyone including ugly girls because even if you dont want to sleep with the girls you may want to sleep with their friends and then the girls will help you/stay out of the way instead of cockblock. Guess that could backfire if you get lots of interest from the girls you don't want, though

Anecdotal evidence ITT.

There are two main factors at play here: attractive people being more accepted by society (environmental) and the evolutionary tendency for more attractive, intelligent people to mate with one another (genetic).

There is no way to confirm or deny this. The best we can do is look at best 30 under 30 and best 40 under 40 lists and try to make educated guesses. Based on that I would still say you are wrong but who knows. More importantly who cares? The conversation is about dating so freak super intelligence is not a consideration. No one is making figuring out a unified theory a requirement for being considered intelligent when it comes to what we are discussing. Likewise, none of us are in that category of super intelligence so we can't use it as an excuse for our lack of physical appearance advancement.

that dkgo post seems reasonable.

you need someone else in place #4 because he's ****ing gross and mark zuckerberg is sorta cute and should be a little bit higher, especially based on that.

also, i love how henry seems to live in this special part of the world (not even just canada, but this subset of it) where every girl is hot, smart, and probably an easy lay since he never has a problem trying to get a girl. this part of the world seems to defy the norm, statistics, the law, maybe even gravity (actually, definitely gravity too since i'm sure no one has saggy tits here).

i dont necessarily find intelligent women unattractive but i do find professional women to be unattractive. obviously, there's plenty of crossover there.

i dont think id ever pursue anything with a career-oriented woman. teacher/nurse/something in fashion or art is basically the cutoff for me.

sounds like you're scared to become the bitch

no. women are more helpful to me if they do my laundry, cook, etc. and generally make my life easier by allowing me to focus on more important stuff and not waste time on random worthless crap like picking up dry cleaning.

the extra income contribution from her job isnt nearly as valuable, and i'm not even rich.

edit: and if i had kids this wouldn't even be close. she'd essentially be banned from having a job if shes going to be the mother of my child.

that's very ridiculous. i'd love to live my life by falling ass backwards into money or having my significant other take full financial responsibility of me just because i'm lazy but the important thing is having the option to work if i wanted to. no one i'm with will ever "ban" me from doing anything. are you american? i hope you're not and your translation is bad.

Pretty sure he's just being misogynist.

yes im american.

i don't see what the big deal is to be honest. if a woman doesn't agree then she is obviously free to date another guy.

imo, the only reason to get married is to have children. why not marry a woman who would create the optimal situation for that goal?

Can't you see how a 'career minded woman' is more likely to see herself as having 'equal say/equal leverage' in any relationship, thus bringing down the likelihood of relationship success?

Hint: Male happiness is infinitely simpler/easier to achieve than female happiness which is effectively impossible to isolate.

Lots of people get married with no intention of having children. Not having children is still a minority position but one of the fastest growing demographics.

The things you want your wife to do are stuff that you can pay someone else to do. When I was single I didn't do any of those things. The cost of having those chores done for you is considerably less than the earning potential of any professional so from a financial perspective it makes a lot more sense to have a working wife and contract out all those chores.

I felt uncomfortable with people I was paying doing those things so the idea of my wife doing them is not something I can really come to terms with. There is a level of subjugation that seems wrong for someone you love.

I think you are going to have issues with this criteria.

I guess that depends on how you define relationship success. Being with someone who is not viewed as equal and that you have through some means of control is automatic failure. Now if the criteria for success is that she doesn't leave-- even when mistreated-- then home-made dungeons offer an even higher success rate than just simple economic dependency.

How exactly?

This is bang on. How can she feel of worth when she and when they grow up, your children, know that she is effectively doing a minimum wage job. Obviously this sort of thing can work but I think it puts unnecessary strain on the relationship.

why get married if you dont want kids? i dont see any reason to (or anything marriage offers that you can have without marriage).

i guess you can have kids w/o being married too but it isn't a socially acceptable environment for a child and it could cause problems for him/her down the road.

It is pretty common -- I'd say it makes up at least 4% of the couples I know. The reason to get married is because you want to recognize that relationship. They are committed to the relationship but just don't to give up all the fun in life to raise kids.

Certain juridical reasons come to mind.

Recognize the relationship? What kind of 'extra value' does that add to the relationship? A couple isn't magically going to love each other more than before they got married.

Further, the societal pressures put on a LTR couple to get married that can potentially cause friction between the partners (in Western society) are lessening year by year.

society

I'm not someone who puts a lot of value in marriage so not the best person to answer.

Reasons I can see for getting married is that it matters to the other person and you want to make them happy, it is an excuse to throw a big party, you can use it to show off to friends and family, and in my culture you walk away with a $60-100k+ profit from the wedding which is a pretty good take for throwing a big party,

Update: redhead is single

wuts your play?

We are going out Saturday or Sunday