I know more women making over $75k than men making over $75k so I'm not having the same experience with this drought of women with good incomes. People for the most part tend to pair up with other people who are of the same socioeconomic level.

My law school was more than 50% female. 48% of the current cohort at Harvard law is female. 47% of Yale law is female. 39% of the people currently enrolled to get an MBA from Harvard are female. 34% of Stanford Business school is female. At Wharton 45% of the current MBA candidates are female.

Some men want a woman who is inferior to them, wholly dependent on them, and who fits the mid-20th century housewife stereotype. They perceive women who have ambition, motivation, and intelligence as intimidating because they feel they overlap with the value that they bring to the relationship and jeopardize their own worth.

No, women dont earn 40k when their husband makes 350k, this is not realistic.

As sciolist pointed out, women dont make a lot less, they do about the same as men. Factor in the fact that we are talking about women who havent had children yet, they will earn approximately the same.

Also, given we are talking about people in their twenties, the money she earns is going to make a bigger difference on average than to people in their fourties.

There are attractive women in these areas. They aren't exactly abundant but I don't think you're interested in them anyways.

It's obvious disko is a misogynist at this point, but that was pretty funny.

Also, I don't know where Henry pulls these random stats from. If you are going to say something as absurd as a "matter of time" before women are earning more than men, you really need the stats. I don't even think they are earning 3/4s of what men are earning yet, albeit, it's quite close to that.



Hmm, must be an American thing. There is a decent gap between men and women's salaries in the US.

Appears to be 77 cents on the dollar in 2008, probably a little higher now. http://www.time.com/time/nation/arti...983185,00.html

if you were to have kids, is 75k worth your child being raised in a daycare center and ordering chinese/picking up dry cleaning every night?

This might be true in certain sciences (physics / computer science / engineering) but without going to entrepreneurship the salary caps on those fields is high but not astronomically high. If we look at other type of science the females do quite well. The current cohort at Stanford medical school is 52% female. Johns Hopkins which is almost universally considered the best medical school in the United States is 47% female.

I have no idea where you go to meet women but this is simply not true. Going though my FB friends list exactly 50% of the people who make over $80k are female. If I remove entrepreneurs and only look at people who are employed then 59% are female.

All of Henry's discussions on salaries should have asterisks because he is talking about Canadian salaries.

Either that, or he assumes what people make. I seriously doubt you know what everyone makes.

Yeh, that's mostly because it's the women who have children. This doesn't quite cover it, but it shows that it's close: http://flipchartfairytales.wordpress...ender-pay-gap/

i'm the absolute furthest you can get from snooty/snobby but my social circle is probably slightly above avg in terms of wealth and nowhere near half my friends, male or female, make >80k.

henry has mentioned 5 schools over the last 2 pages:

harvard law school
yale law school
johns hopkins medical school
stanford medical school
wharton business school


i mean, cmon man. if you're using these places as your data points then we've probably gone just about as far as we can go with this conversation.

The problem with saying the gap is at 14% or 23% (the two most often used numbers) is that it only looks at all females vs all males. If you look at only younger people the gap is non-existent for women without maternity leave.

The most important consideration with respect to income is education. Enrolment used to be male dominated so high income jobs were male dominated. Females have passed men in university completion so they should pass men in white collar income.


I don't want kids so hard to say but I would say yes because it is very unlikely that a women making $75k is going to end up with a guy making so much money that the $75k does not matter. Very few people of either gender make $250k+ and even less make $500k+ which is the point at which I think the $75k would become unimportant.

This is ignoring the self-respect aspect and the dependency aspect. People get married with a lot of optimism about the relationship but we all know what the divorce rate is. What is a women supposed to do after not working for years and the marriage breaks up? She pretty much can never leave which I think is the appeal of this situation.

I know a couple (no longer together) but the male made $160k/year and the female made over $2.5M/year. Should the guy not work and stay home to take care of the kids has they remained together? I mean she makes more in a month than he makes all year.

do they have a prenup? if so, the guy needs to protect himself and continue his career.

i personally don't want to get married or have kids either, so i'm just guessing how i would feel in such a scenario.

I don't know what they make exactly but I know if they make more or less than a certain amount because they work in fields I know.

Nor do mine. I was talking about of the people who make over $80k. I went though the friends list and wrote down an F or an M for everyone who made over $80k and while that was a small minority (about 15-20% which is higher than average because of law school) of those 50% were female.

I am not using those schools are references but as a way to prove your claim that women do not earn high incomes wrong. Those are the top schools in law, business, and medicine and females are highly present in those schools. If women can get into the best schools then there is no reason to assume they are not also strongly represented in less prestigious schools. We have a half dozen law students here and they will confirm that there classmates are roughly half female.

There's still a factor that will naturally depress women's salaries with respect to men - pregnancy and child rearing.

Also, looking at gender distributions at universities can be deceptive because often universities have specific targets for those numbers.

Top two engineers I know are women; a girl in my engineering degree absolutely crushed everyone else. Top person in my current law course is also a girl.

no sample size issues here or anything.

but either way, grades =/= money

when u get a minute log into martindale and see the partner breakdown at big firms. it's hilariously lopsided. i assume it's the same in sciences/finance

If you only look at money, this is true.
But obiously there is more to it. Being a mother (or a father) is more rewarding to most people than the money they lose by not improving their career by taking maternity leave (assuming that the husband is still improving his career).

Ok this thread needs to stop looking at the US and assume this is how the world works.

Most of the world doesnt educate their students for 12 years worse than the average African.

Most universities in the world dont decide by one standardized ******ed test who should be accepted and who shouldnt be and then maybe look at some stupid, in most cases completely irrelevant, quotas.


The salary question is related to this. If you are educated, there is little chance that you ever earn less than $50k. Given that education in the US is inflated, education is not a set in stone term, but if you are anywhere decent, you can earn decent money. Even more so if you are not bound by any geographical boundaries.

So now we apply the society structures from 30 years ago to today?

As a matter of fact, the European Union is close to passing a law that has a quota of women in executive positions, making it a lot easier for women to advance their careers and, as long as the quota is not met, making it easier to earn more quicker than their male - equally qualified - equivalent.

What laws this? If it gets passed it will be among the worst laws anyone has ever created.

agreed. i believe AA hurts the "victim" class more than it helps. whenever i see a minority at a top-school or at a high level executive position i just assume that it's AA-related.

i believe clarence thomas spoke about this too

lol

I am not big fan either, but Norway has this already and it's not that bad at all, but it doesnt change the fact that related to your position this weakens your standpoint rather than strengthen it.

Not sure if it does from my understanding tbh. Surely if they have to introduce a quota to force companies to have executive positions filled by women, then in the current state they can't be doing too well on their own. No?

Partner is not a good way to look at it because women have no had enough time to work though the field. Basically partners are old. Using Blakes we have 155 male and 66 female. Now if we look at the pictures it tells a very different story. Eliminate all the old people and you have a near 50/50 split.

Unfortunately stats on large issues like this are slow to come out. Using 2005 statistics of the people who made over $80k in Canada 24.1% were women. The latest data will be out in about a year but using the projections it is expected that it will be 31% of the people earning over $80k will be female. If there was a way to filter out by age I guarantee that the numbers for people under 40 who make more than $80k the gender split would be even closer.