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11-29-2020 , 05:50 PM

#4951

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Also by what demographical populations they represent.

How many are white? Men? Women? LBGTQ? Black? Hispanic? Atheist? Native American (is this correct? Is American Indian better or worse? trying to use correct terms)?

I mean, we all know what it would look like, but it might be a good learning tool.

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11-29-2020 , 05:53 PM

#4952

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There's a big push in health care to improve diversity to match the populations they're representing. We have evidence that if health care providers look and feel like the communities they serve they get better care and patients end up with better outcomes. Lots of grants and initiatives to get minoritized populations into health care to help those communities.

We need to do the same thing with government. House of Representatives is not actually representative of our country. Obviously there's all the hurdles that ensure the people get in there who will serve the elites, but would clearly be a positive change.

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11-29-2020 , 06:06 PM

#4953

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Originally Posted by chim17

native american is great. i prefer indigenous. always the best is the actual tribe name.

"indian" is fine to many, but some really don't like it

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11-29-2020 , 06:20 PM

#4954

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Originally Posted by chim17

I think the general vernacular is moving away from Native American to indigenous person.

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11-29-2020 , 06:34 PM

#4955

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Thank you both.

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11-29-2020 , 06:34 PM

#4956

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Originally Posted by chim17

House of Representatives is not actually representative of our country.

It's also absurdly small.

200 years ago, each member of the House of Representatives represented roughly 40,000 people. Now that number is approximately 750,000.

Increasing the number of House seats by a factor of 20 would not be ridiculous.

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11-29-2020 , 07:45 PM

#4957

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Dude, what?

There are what like 500 rep's atm. You think it's fine to grow the chamber to 10,000 delegates?

Seems more sensible, if the aim is to increase representation and accountability, to institute smaller regional legislatures to approve/disapprove national initiatives promulgated by a smaller federal congress (maybe just a senate, eg).

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11-29-2020 , 07:50 PM

#4958

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I'm still waiting on Mets to answer whether he sees the "Chinese flu" label for covid19 as a scapegoat.

Also waiting on Birdman to respond to my post-humanist tirade, or at least my point that Marxism is cognizably a liberal critique of capitalism.

Sun, I didn't respond to your last @me because it seemed you had lost the thread of our discussion, like you were responding to me as though my post was an initiating thought of mine and not itself a response to something else.

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11-29-2020 , 08:05 PM

#4959

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Dude, what?

There are what like 500 rep's atm. You think it's fine to grow the chamber to 10,000 delegates?

Agreed.

One thing that could be done is to make the number of senators reflect the population of each state. It's ridiculous that Wyoming and California have the same number of Senators.

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11-29-2020 , 08:12 PM

#4960

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Dude, what?

There are what like 500 rep's atm. You think it's fine to grow the chamber to 10,000 delegates?

10,000 is far less ridiculous than 435.

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Seems more sensible, if the aim is to increase representation and accountability, to institute smaller regional legislatures to approve/disapprove national initiatives promulgated by a smaller federal congress (maybe just a senate, eg).

Depending on the actual structure, I would be okay with this.

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11-29-2020 , 08:16 PM

#4961

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Originally Posted by eyebooger

10,000 is far less ridiculous than 435.

This seems just infeasible from a logistical standpoint.

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11-29-2020 , 09:33 PM

#4962

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maybe just kill 95% of the people?

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11-29-2020 , 10:30 PM

#4963

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I don't know what you were on about but I appreciate you discontinuing whatever it was you were doing. As far as I can tell you never had the thread.

We seem to have very different values.

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11-30-2020 , 12:21 AM

#4964

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We seem to have very different values.

Probably. My values differ frequently.

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11-30-2020 , 12:29 AM

#4965

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In American politics - if the god king falls, does the gop enter a schism? If so, does Biden move further right to pick up the chum? Do we ever see Biden attack Obama?

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11-30-2020 , 12:39 AM

#4966

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Originally Posted by UncleDynamite

It's ridiculous that Wyoming and California have the same number of Senators.

While it's frustrating, and for the reader probably tired, to remind Americans that the federal union is one of states, the point may bear repeating to a person not indoctrinated here.

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In this spirit it may be remarked, that the equal vote allowed to each state, is at once a constitutional recognition of the portion of sovereignty remaining in the individual states, and an instrument for preserving that residuary sovereignty. . . .

Another advantage accruing from this ingredient in the constitution of the senate is, the additional impediment it must prove against improper acts of legislation. No law or resolution can now be passed without the concurrence, first, of a majority of the people, and then, of a majority of the states. It must be acknowledged that this complicated check on legislation may, in some instances, be injurious as well as beneficial; and that the peculiar defence which it involves in favour of the smaller states, would be more rational, if any interests common to them, and distinct from those of the other states, would otherwise be exposed to peculiar danger. But as the larger states will always be able, by their power over the supplies, to defeat unreasonable exertions of this prerogative of the lesser states; and as the facility and excess of law-making seem to be the diseases to which our governments are most liable, it is not impossible that this part of the constitution may be more convenient in practice, than it appears to many in contemplation. . . .

James Madison, "Federalist No. 62", senate.gov

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11-30-2020 , 12:47 AM

#4967

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Making no mistake, of course, that the states themselves were fundamentally racist institutions of celebrated violence as a means to material capture and retention regardless of resultant immiseration...

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12-01-2020 , 12:44 PM

#4968

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In news from Capitol Hill, a number of major corporations, including Apple, Nike and Coca-Cola, are opposing a bill to ban goods made using forced labor by Uyghurs and other Muslim minority groups in China’s Xinjiang region. The House passed the legislation 406 to 3, but the Senate has not yet voted. A congressional report earlier this year found many corporations have directly or indirectly relied on forced labor in Xinjiang, including Adidas, Calvin Klein, Campbell Soup, Costco, H&M, Tommy Hilfiger, Nike and Patagonia.

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12-01-2020 , 01:11 PM

#4969

chim17

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Is Mitch even going to let it hit the floor?

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12-01-2020 , 01:19 PM

#4970

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if it passed 406 to 3 in the house that means it has tons of repub support, right?

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12-01-2020 , 01:29 PM

#4971

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Originally Posted by filthyvermin

if it passed 406 to 3 in the house that means it has tons of repub support, right?

Ya, but fake bi-partisanship is super common. Co-sponsor bills that have no chance of passing, voting for bills that senate will never take up, etc.

Now, that's a *huge* margin, so I can't imagine it doesn't have actual support, but was curious if you had seen anything about if he'd even let a vote on it.

406 voting for means nothing if they all know it will never get a senate vote. It's just marketing at that point.

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12-01-2020 , 01:31 PM

#4972

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As an example there's a few sites that show Cory Gardner as some bi-partisan champion. When you break down the analysis he was only bi-partisan on things that had no chance of actually becoming law. He appears super balanced, but only supports things across the aisle when they will never pass.

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12-01-2020 , 01:43 PM

#4973

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i see chim. yeah, idk if that's what's going on here.

it might be a case of "china is so bad!! look at how bad china is! let's pass this bill and show how great we are! bad china!.... oh btw, we are locking up people in prison and forcing them to fight fires and do other labor, but bad china!"

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12-01-2020 , 02:46 PM

#4974

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Vaccinations are expected to begin in mid- to late December

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Vaccinations for people who do not fall into high-risk groups will likely start at the end of April and continue "going into May, June, July," said Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases.

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The Pfizer and Moderna vaccines require two doses several weeks apart

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12-01-2020 , 02:48 PM

#4975

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Originally Posted by chim17

do you have any reference examples of overwhelming party support in one house and a complete non-starter in the other house controlled by the same party?