https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/26/u...-new-york.html

****ing religious people, man.

In the primary, yes. In the general, no.

Unless the Democrats fight back, we have like 30 years of decisions like this in the future.

So basically, we have like 30 years of decisions like this in the future.

Yes, this.

No more than the responsibility we all share to whatever level based on the previous conversation.

ok if i accept that biden voters shouldn't feel any responsibility for his horrible actions... how about feeling any responsibility for the next horrific candidate the dems force feed us because we will vote for whoever they put up?


and how much responsibility to past dem voters have for supporting the two party system that lead to trump? clinton and the dems wanted to trump to win the republican primary, and i believe even helped him win it.

DEATH TO TURKEYS

Biden is first Dem I ever voted for. The situation was unique. I don’t know that I’ll just vote for any Dem next round.

Voting third party is in no way more absolving of responsibility than voting Dem. I have the same responsibility today that I had when I voted for neither major candidate. It’s all playing in the same system. It still adds into the equity one of the major two candidates have.

Further and further into the 21st century dark ages we go

Ill add a caveat that if you vote for Biden and stand by things he does without any demonstration or argument, then of course there’s more culpability.

The correct course of action was to vote Biden while demonstrating against him. I definitely believe that was the optimal path of highest equity. Was ok to not vote for him, of course.

i've heard this in several previous elections, most of them actually

Of course, people justify all sorts of things. They've said that every year. Not me, though.

It's the first time I've ever said it, first time I voted Dem. Biden felt like a more moral vote to me than a third party this time. That's unique for me. I think a third party vote was a huge mistake (though respect your right to disagree). Hell, it's the first time I've ever felt a moral obligation to vote someone. So many lives are so much worse because of trump, so many lives lost. We've hashed this out before, Biden will obviously cost lives, it isn't like he's a good vote.

What's very clear to me - there isn't less feeling of responsibility for third party voters vs Biden voters. A third party vote provides equity to one of the major two candidates, just like voting for one of them does. It doesn't accomplish anything else. A third party vote in a state like Georgia has more of an equity impact than a Biden vote in California and therefore has more responsibility for the result (lol our system).

This goes back to the whole value of voting, responsibility each American should feel, etc. Not entirely clear how much responsibility each should have, but a third party vote isn't absolving of that.

Anyways, I'm going to drop it now because we've done this before. You won't make me feel guilty for voting Biden, despite you wanting me to. I won't make you think a third party vote is just a culpable because we're in a forced dichotomy. We just have very different views on this. I respect yours, I just very very strongly disagree.

Have as good of a holiday as possible in light of all this stuff going on.

yeah for sure no hard feelings on my end chim. i was gonna say "i'm not trying to make you feel guilty" but maybe i am a little... BUT my main intention is more to ask questions and figure out how we(i) think about it. because i'm not 100% sure

If I force you at gunpoint to drive out to the middle of nowhere and dig your own grave, I don't think anyone would blame you for doing it and I don't think anyone would blame you for trying to resist at some point even if you get shot.

"progressive representation" obviously means women and people of color representing corporations

Earlier this week:



Today:

Likely connected

It's to let Joe Biden know DO NOT reenter the Iran deal

https://www.twitch.tv/aoc

more aoc playing that ww game, whatever it's called

Saturday Night Live probably pissed off. It looks like Trump stole their script.

I think they were going to do one where Trump, having failed in all his voter fraud challenges, changed strategies and insisted that Biden was obliged to prove all 80M votes he got were legal.

But, Trump got out ahead of them... lol

Only Trump could mock himself better than comedy could..

things are rough for snl, the onion etc. these days

This has been one of the most pathetic few weeks I’ve ever seen from someone. I’d be embarrassed for him if I cared at all about how he felt.

What’s actually sad is how much of the country believes him. He lies for years and years and now he’s grifting his followers for money. People believing him and donating to him. Saying they love him and he wouldn’t lie to them. That they’d do anything for him.

It’s a cult.

Jesus Christ they're crazy ******s

to a degree it's the same with every president

No. Not even close.