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Ya, of course the whole economy = dow stuff is total nonsense, and this has been an excellent opportunity to extract more wealth from the non-wealthy.

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10-26-2020 , 05:54 PM

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I'll leave it here since we've done this before, but just know "keeps the economy moving" is synonymous with keeping people healthy. If unchecked, 2008 will look like an economic upswing.

Where's the studys that say this? Not that I think "the economy" is significantly important as normally referenced.

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10-26-2020 , 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by metsandfinsfan

regardless of what trump personally says or does, trumps cdc has had clear guidelines about mask wearing

they literally said "don't wear masks"

then later they said "wear masks"

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10-26-2020 , 07:00 PM

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they literally said "don't wear masks"

then later they said "wear masks"

The point was to make mask wearing a political issue. Which they succeeded at.
Eta: not necessarily the cdc per se-- probably them too though. Certainly the Trump administration

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10-26-2020 , 09:38 PM

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they literally said "don't wear masks"

then later they said "wear masks"

They said don't wear masks in early March

It's said wear masks for over 6 months bro

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10-26-2020 , 10:50 PM

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i will be happy to see either candidate lose this election. i wish i could see them both lose.

i mean doesn't everyone want them both to lose? lol usa democracy

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10-26-2020 , 11:48 PM

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i will be happy to see either candidate lose this election. i wish i could see them both lose.

i mean doesn't everyone want them both to lose? lol usa democracy

The people who lose are people like us here. Trump and Biden will both win. Losing the election is impossible as they're on the same team.

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10-27-2020 , 11:07 AM

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The point was to make mask wearing a political issue. Which they succeeded at.

Yes, and again you carried water for it despite being so woke.

Is hand-washing a political issue? Have you read The Big Lye?

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10-27-2020 , 11:11 AM

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Yes, and again you carried water for it despite being so woke.

Is hand-washing a political issue? Have you read The Big Lye?

I would be opposed to mandatory hand washing too if that helps you any.
Carrying water for personal autonomy is going to be a thing I do.

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10-27-2020 , 11:14 AM

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Carrying water for personal autonomy is going to be a thing I do.

you have a limit, though.

you're still not an anarchist, right?

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10-27-2020 , 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by filthyvermin

i will be happy to see either candidate lose this election. i wish i could see them both lose.

i mean doesn't everyone want them both to lose? lol usa democracy

If I were guessing, I would expect the breakdown among regular thread posters (from USA#1 ldo) to be 5% voting for Trump, 75% voting for Biden, 20% voting for someone else or not voting.

So, no, I don't think that "everyone" wants them both to lose, plenty of people think that they'll get what they want with a Democratic sweep.

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10-27-2020 , 11:17 AM

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Maybe it's some semantics.

I'd love to see Biden lose, but not to the only opponent who could beat him.

You might both be right.

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10-27-2020 , 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Booker Wolfbox

find me one poster, just one, who thinks joe biden will be a good president

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10-27-2020 , 11:20 AM

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lol usa democracy

I have never wondered more what all the people who hate representative democracy and a republican form of government -- basically everything other than pure democracy -- would say if they got pure democracy and then it turned out that the mob didn't agree with them.

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10-27-2020 , 11:21 AM

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or to put it another way, find me someone who wants joe biden to be president. it's not that they just want trump to lose

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10-27-2020 , 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by filthyvermin

find me one poster, just one, who thinks joe biden will be a good president

That's not the same thing as wanting him to lose, though.

Chim is correct.

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10-27-2020 , 11:22 AM

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you have a limit, though.

you're still not an anarchist, right?

You mean as far as my willingness to allow to government some intrusion into our lives? Yeah...some things are reasonable. I try to stay from normative political views though and Anarchism is one of them.

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10-27-2020 , 11:23 AM

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i'm not at all opposed to a democratic republic. but if i understand the concept correctly we are supposed to have leaders who represent us. we've never had a leader who represents us, and i'm speaking for about 300 million of the 320 million americans.

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10-27-2020 , 11:23 AM

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find me one poster, just one, who thinks joe biden will be a good president

I think that Joe Biden's administration will be less centralized that Donald Trump's

and thus that Biden's personal/ideological flaws will be less damaging to the nation

his diminished state might actually make him a great president, insofar as a more mentally capable individual might generally be less interested in network-driven solutions

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10-27-2020 , 11:24 AM

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That's not the same thing as wanting him to lose, though.

Chim is correct.

they want bernie or warren or someone who isn't a senile sex offender corrupt racist

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10-27-2020 , 11:28 AM

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It is unreasonable to require people, if able, to wash their hands after using the toilet?

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10-27-2020 , 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by iamnotawerewolf

It is unreasonable to require people, if able, to wash their hands after using the toilet?

This is the sort of fine grained involvement of government in our lives that you would like to see? Cameras in the bathrooms? Yes this is unreasonable.

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10-27-2020 , 11:30 AM

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I didn't say there should be cameras in the bathroom.

I said people should wash their hands.

The propriety of one idea of an enforcement method is a separate issue from the propriety of the standard to be enforced.

If I said "We should limit the permissible speed on the roads", would it be a fair rejoinder to insist that "a mechanism which automatically reduces the speed of a vehicle is a bad idea" and thus that we should not impose a limit of speed on the roads by law?

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10-27-2020 , 11:33 AM

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When I consider how "reasonable" a proposal is, I balance the costs against the benefits, the needs against the capabilities.

Hand-washing, like mask-wearing, has a very low cost, with a massive social benefit. Particularly in the midst of a disease pandemic, with the needed materials readily available, it definitely seems reasonable to me.

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