Hand washing isn't really something that can be enforced but if it were possible to enforce it then I would be massively opposed to it, whether in times of state sponsored pandemic or not.

When people complain about "politicizing" an issue, I think what they're getting at is the phenomenon of people bypassing a Reasonableness consideration in favor of a group-identity one, even if they later boot-strap reasonableness back into their decision as a way of justifying their position after-the-fact (eg., "masks make you rebreathe unsafe amounts of CO2").

Setting aside issues of enforcement, what is unreasonable about a rule requiring people to wash their hands after using the toilet?

We already require certain professions to regularly wash hands, no one would consider that oppressive.

I think governments would be better off with some hand-washing ads or some kind of campaign. Try to get kids and adults to buy in through ads.. use some comedy and/or famous people..

Mandating it would pretty bad, as enforcement would almost be comical.

It makes me wonder if there could not be the same approach with masks. Sure, some authorities can/will mandate them, but nationally an ad campaign on it would be good.

Give some $$ out to some high school students and/or college students who come up with the best ads. Get some businesses like McDonalds, BurgerKing, Walmart, major grocery chains, Nike, major sports leagues etc to sponsor ads combining there own products with mask wearing messages.

Get Tom Selleck to endorse them. Heck, every old lady from 65 to 100 will do whatever he says....lol

Get large labour unions, sports leagues, big companies, etc to come out in support of mask wearing..

These types of things might be effective..

The only possible explanation for this post is that you are a vampire who is hurt by contact with water.

The enforcement issues cannot be set aside-- that is the whole point.
What is unreasonable about requiring that people follow the golden rule?

Let's not get ahead of ourselves!

We definitely need ads teaching hygiene. Some people believe washing your butt is *** as well!

What would be bad about a rule requiring hand-washing after using the toilet?

I promise to address enforcement in a minute, but first, can we agree, for the sake of argument, that IF an acceptable enforcement scheme could be devised, you would are not against a requirement that hands be washed after using the toilet?

Number 1 or number 2?

"Do unto others as you would have them do unto you" runs into big problems when you realize that people can have opposing preferences.

Treat others how they want to be treated. Mostly

The real problem is actually thinking "blank treated me like" this" so obviously they want to be treated that way". Even though it's obvious they don't.

As for enforcement, the bathroom sinks are not private areas.

I can witness someone walk into the bathroom, use the john, and then leave w/o washing, and then if I am so inclined report their conduct. I get that this evokes "police state" imagery, but I don't think we're really concerned about a general standard of reporting malicious/harmful conduct.

Think about a gas station toilet. That person who doesn't wash leaves the room, using the door handle, presses the button on the soda fountain, uses that plastic pen to sign his transaction authorization, grabs the gas pump, etc.

Are you okay with this person spreading their feces or whatever genital fungus on surfaces that you are likely to interact with? Bear in mind that the person who isn't motivated to wash on their own probably isn't practicing sound hygiene elsewhere either.

i am mostly concerned with his middle east policies which are impoortant to me

i dont think domestically he will overly effect me; i do think its possible interest rates and inflation go up if he tries passing something crazy but overall it wont affect my life that much

If they win the senate i am ovely worried about how far they will go

Puerto RIco being a state is okay (bad politically for R's but notnhing wrong with a dem senate pushing it since the people oif puerto rico seem to want it) -- so i have no issue there

packing the court i am against obv

getting rid of the fillabuster is awful too; if Harry Reid never got rid of the fillabuster for judges in whatever year that was (2010?) then we probably would have had much different candidates for the court. and this precise appointedment liekly wouild have been pushed to janmuary. so yeah, getting rid of the fillabuster altogether is a bad idea

universal health care -- i dont like how much rates have skyrocketed since obamacare but at this poiint, adding a public option cant be awfull. again not overly against it either except for feeling the pain on my dr friends

i dont think a biden presidency will destroy the stock market

im more worried about a Harris presidency with a dem senate and house if that comes to be

i think the dems have a decent chance to win the senate

i dont think Susan Collins voting no yesterday has any bearing on her reelection chances and i put them around 40%

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nobody but me around here cares about the middle east much but what worries me most there is what happens with Iran

The 3 peace deals (and saudi arabia ready for the 4th) would not have been possible if we were still in the Iran Nuclear Deal. That i am confident in.

Both Biden and Harris have stated that they do not plan to move our embassy out of Jerusalem -- and I believe that so that helps keep it stable. but i am afraid of what happens if we sign a deal with Iran again, if Saudi Arabia decides not so make one (sources say they are waiting for our election to formally do it regardless of who wins, but i am skeptical they will do it if biden does; i hope i am wrong).


i voted dem in NJ locallyfor some in 16 and 18. i am, undecided on what to do now. I dont what i am doing
i have not ruled out voting Corey Booker. I will NOT vote Andy Kim for Congress and the R is neck and neck with him
There is a 3rd party candidate in that race, Shapiro that seems okay

There is a guy running against booker in a 3rd party - Daniel Burke - who is running under the "Larouche was Right" party. I had to look up who Larouche was - he was accused of being a commie and arrested. on his ballotpedia survey he was asked
Please list below 3 key messages of your campaign. What are the main points you want voters to remember about your goals for your time in office?

his answer was
holy ****

industrialaztion of the moon!! getting rid of the secret govt that hates trump!!!!

the larouch stuff i dont really fully uinderstand enough to comment

but i admit i am intrigued

so i have not voted yet

im still weighing most of my options (except i will 100% vote yes on the legalize marijuana question, obv)

When people use a gas station bathroom they are well aware of what sort of environmemt they are entering. Doors ought to be the sort that you can operate with your feet but that should not be mandated either. Carry alcohol gel.

do you know how many germs are on your phone? on a doorknob?

its already insane

just make sure you dont put your fingers inyour mouth withoiut washing them cause eveything you touch is germ ridden

Reminds me of this piece-- which I always found to be hilarious.

Mets, the only thing I think I can respond to is your suggestion that a public option would increase the cost of insurance.

How does introducing a price-controlled competitor accomplish this?

My understanding is that the ACA required insurance companies to pay for things that they weren't paying for ("preexisting conditions") and so rates went up accordingly.

Also, the ACA did not establish a public option. The ACA, adapted from a republican plan introduced by Romney, created (1) a mandate that individuals carry insurance & (2) a publicly-funded marketplace through which individuals could purchase private insurance if they needed help figuring it out. Of course the price would go up when the elasticity of demand collapsed!

you don't have to use that bathroom to use the authorization pen at the counter after someone who used the bathroom uses that pen

gotta say, dustin being anti-hand washing is probably the least surprising thing of all time.

are you anti-vax too?

I generally try to use a cloth or paper barrier when turning public knobs or grabbing public handles, fwiw.

That's life dude. Carry alcohol gel if you're worried.