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10-27-2020 , 01:25 PM

#2526

master3004

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Originally Posted by iamnotawerewolf

"Do unto others as you would have them do unto you" runs into big problems when you realize that people can have opposing preferences.

This. I certainly do not want a sadist doing unto me as they would have other do unto them

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10-27-2020 , 01:25 PM

#2527

master3004

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Originally Posted by pwnsall

Treat others how they want to be treated. Mostly

This is a much better version of the golden rule

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10-27-2020 , 01:25 PM

#2528

Luckbox Inc

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Originally Posted by iamnotawerewolf

the problem with accepting the slippery slope fallacy is that we would have to start allowing other fallacies in as well

Slippery slope is sometimes a reasonable argument is the thing. A lot of what we see is the work of incrementalization.

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10-27-2020 , 01:27 PM

#2529

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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc

Is there some point there eyebooger? What am I supposed to be seeing there?

That I was correct in my assessment 4 months ago.

You just said it now.

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10-27-2020 , 01:28 PM

#2530

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first they made us wear masks during a respiratory pandemic

then they made us wash our hands after using the toilet

what's next? requiring us to pick up our dog's poop?! forcing us to stay home from work when we know we have head lice?!! WHERE DOES IT END?

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10-27-2020 , 01:28 PM

#2531

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Originally Posted by eyebooger

That I was correct in my assessment 4 months ago.

You just said it now.

Nope. It was sanctimonious douchebaggery then and it still is now.

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10-27-2020 , 01:30 PM

#2532

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next you'll tell me that I have to allow the government to inspect my food-service establishment to make sure I am not potentially poisoning children

OPPRESSION!

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10-27-2020 , 01:30 PM

#2533

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Originally Posted by Tokyo!!

i mean, not like i'm ever going to change your mind on literally anything, nor did i think we were gonna have a deep conversation. i was just wondering if your philosophies extended to anti-vax too. Like where does the line for your "personal autonomy/freedom is paramount over all" end? Maybe it doesn't

The fact that he isnt saying "of course I'm not anti-vax" is pretty much the answer you're looking for.

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10-27-2020 , 01:31 PM

#2534

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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc

The difference is that you all love the boots and I don't like them as much.
And there is a certain tyranny involved in being overly safe. I don't really want the government involved in all aspects of life keeping me safe though.
And if that means also endangering you then I'm ok with that too.

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Originally Posted by eyebooger

That I was correct in my assessment 4 months ago.

You just said it now.

My actual full post that represents my "today" position. At least quote the thing in full instead of taking me out of context to try to score points.
Nowhere does that say I don't care if my actions harm others. What I'm saying is that I'm ok with some non-policies that allow for harm to happen.

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10-27-2020 , 01:32 PM

#2535

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And there is a certain tyranny involved in being overly safe. I don't really want the government involved in all aspects of life keeping me safe though.

and the straw man

if we get a free space, that's a bingo, right?

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10-27-2020 , 01:33 PM

#2536

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lol "free space", there's no freedom in a land where people are prohibited from wiping their feces on common surfaces

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10-27-2020 , 01:34 PM

#2537

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lol "free space", there's no freedom in a land where people are prohibited from wiping their feces on common surfaces

Yeah dude. No strawmanning from you and your approach to this discussion has been in complete good faith.

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10-27-2020 , 01:42 PM

#2538

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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc

My actual full post that represents my "today" position. At least quote the thing in full instead of taking me out of context to try to score points.

I didn't see it as out of context. The three preceding sentences added nothing.

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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc

Nowhere does that say I don't care if my actions harm others. What I'm saying is that I'm ok with some non-policies that allow for harm to happen.

"What I'm saying is that I'm ok with some non-policies that allow for me to infect another person with a deadly disease."

Is that sentence materially different from the one I bolded? If so, how?

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10-27-2020 , 01:43 PM

#2539

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Originally Posted by Tokyo!!

Question for the "voting is pointless, republicans and democrats are on the same team, vote if you want, but don't try to get me to vote for your team" crowd here. I scrolled back two pages and didn't see much discussion about amy coney barrett.

Do you not care about judicial appointments at all? Does that fall into the same basket as voting - i.e., who cares what color tie appoints the judges, they are all the same?

Judges appointed by the different color ties are not the same in legal practice (both procedurally and analytically). Even if legislatively you thought there were no practical differences between red and blue governance, voting simply to get your preferred set of judicial appointments ought to be reason enough to spend the time to vote. I guess if you think that the type of judges either side appoints are all bad, then whatever, but I dont see a solution there short of burning down the entire system.

so you should vote blues so you can find justices that legislate from the bench rather than interpret law via the constitution because the left is too incompetent to legislate?

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10-27-2020 , 01:44 PM

#2540

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Slippery slope isn't a fallacy in and of itself. Lots of people accept "slippery slopes" all the time, the outcome just seems obvious to them so they ignore the slope.

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10-27-2020 , 01:45 PM

#2541

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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc

Yeah dude. No strawmanning from you and your approach to this discussion has been in complete good faith.

I think I was pretty reasonable before you admitted that your mind was closed.

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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc

It's never going to be the case where I agree that laws should be passed mandating that people wash their hands.

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10-27-2020 , 01:45 PM

#2542

metsandfinsfan

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Originally Posted by master3004

This is a much better version of the golden rule

yet you continue to call me names and give personal attacks after i ask you to stop until you get reprimanded

gotcha

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10-27-2020 , 01:47 PM

#2543

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i think what luckbox is trying to say is

people should wash their hands

but if he doesnt, master shouldnt be able to run out of the bathroom and find a cop and tell him so luckbox can be fined/arrested

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10-27-2020 , 01:48 PM

#2544

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Originally Posted by eyebooger

I didn't see it as out of context. The three preceding sentences added nothing.

"What I'm saying is that I'm ok with some non-policies that allow for me to infect another person with a deadly disease."

Is that sentence materially different from the one I bolded? If so, how?

Yeah it's a strawman but I'm pretty sick of the lack of good faith from basically everyone I'm interacting with here in this discussion. I might address your post later though. About to drive a car after smoking weed and maybe I'll answer you once I'm behind the wheel.

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10-27-2020 , 01:48 PM

#2545

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Originally Posted by metsandfinsfan

so you should vote blues so you can find justices that legislate from the bench rather than interpret law via the constitution because the left is too incompetent to legislate?

developing the law through the use of precedent where the legislative enactments are not squarely on point is exactly the role of the judiciary, and the constitution knows it

the background notion is "common law"

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10-27-2020 , 01:49 PM

#2546

eyebooger

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Originally Posted by metsandfinsfan

This is correct, but Luckbox is going way, way farther than "people should wash their hands".

EDIT: Actually not sure Luckbox is saying "people should wash their hands".

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10-27-2020 , 01:49 PM

#2547

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Based on all psychological studies the best way to get people to wash their hands is to make them think they are being watched.

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10-27-2020 , 01:50 PM

#2548

pwnsall

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People not washing their hands is probably the norm in large poker settings. I try not to think about it.

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10-27-2020 , 01:51 PM

#2549

metsandfinsfan

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Originally Posted by iamnotawerewolf

i think if you use this argument to uphold roe that is fine

but if you use it to uphold the mandate in the aca for example, it is not

if by precedent you mean previously decided cases, sure

if by precedent you mean previously passed laws that may be unconstitutional but theyve been around for a while so they are fine, no

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10-27-2020 , 01:51 PM

#2550

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Originally Posted by eyebooger

This is correct, but Luckbox is going way, way farther than "people should wash their hands".

EDIT: Actually not sure Luckbox is saying "people should wash their hands".

I usually take a shower too. (For #2)
Not shocked though that you don't know what I'm saying.

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