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11-06-2020 , 01:42 PM
I would like domers take on what he believes the real time odds should have been on the election if he sees this. Maybe still busy gambling.
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11-06-2020 , 01:44 PM
i wouldn't be a bit surprised if the votes were fake. but all our elections have been rigged for our entire lives. we never elect candidates who represent us, which is the whole point of democracy, and a representative govt
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11-06-2020 , 01:44 PM
I mean it is a bit funny to take our elections which is the biggest, most unreliable, manipulated jumble**** literally every time it happens and pretend that suddenly a few thousand ballots were fraudulently used to swing an election.

That’s like arguing whether the get away car of a bank robbery committed a parking violation.
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11-06-2020 , 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Birdman10687
I think it is ok to occasionally play devil's advocate as a thought exercise, especially if you are up front about it.

I think it becomes troll like behavior when you do it constantly and are never up front about it--this is something I brought up with IANAW last night.
As an addendum sometimes I don't know what I believe and I also think about lots of things probabilistically so that makes some spots much fuzzier
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11-06-2020 , 01:46 PM
Is Biden going to sue in Florida, Ohio and Texas based on leads he had... fraud only explanation for lead changes.. I mean how did Trump keep climbing in Florida every time votes came in.. And once people saw Texas might be tight, all that seemed to be counted were Rep votes..

Trump's premise is that lead changes are fraudulent only when he is overtaken, and never when he is doing the overtaking.

I mean even the FOX people knew that PA and GA were going to swing, because they knew Biden owned the areas with the most outstanding votes.

Is FOX part of the conspiracy, or are were they just predicting that the leads were going to be lost because their analysts and stats folks saw it coming too??
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11-06-2020 , 01:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Birdman10687
I mean it is a bit funny to take our elections which is the biggest, most unreliable, manipulated jumble**** literally every time it happens and pretend that suddenly a few thousand ballots were fraudulently used to swing an election.

That’s like arguing whether the get away car of a bank robbery committed a parking violation.
except nothing wrong with bank robberies

i would say something more like if a rapist used a slur(which both candidates are, and have btw)
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11-06-2020 , 01:48 PM
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The media and people are trying to cast this as a clear Biden win, but it is 3 days into the counting and they are unable to call the presidency. Why is CNN afraid to call PA and the presidency for Trump? Do they know the magical ballots showing up in philly are fraudulent? This is obviously going to court, JUst hope our legal system is able to figure out which ballots are fraudulent, illegally cast. If we can't verify these mass mail in voting, our elections will have 0 credibility going forward and be open to foreign interference.
again every trump legal challenge has been tossed immediately as looney tunes even by hyper partisan conservative judges like the one in texas about curb side voting.

also everyone is nervous to call the race because fox news "****ed up" by calling arizona fairly early.. and then some more but not enough trump votes started showing up making the media nervous about being wrong..
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11-06-2020 , 01:50 PM
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Is Biden going to sue in Florida, Ohio and Texas based on leads he had... fraud only explanation for lead changes.. I mean how did Trump keep climbing in Florida every time votes came in.. And once people saw Texas might be tight, all that seemed to be counted were Rep votes..

Trump's premise is that lead changes are fraudulent only when he is overtaken, and never when he is doing the overtaking.

I mean even the FOX people knew that PA and GA were going to swing, because they knew Biden owned the areas with the most outstanding votes.

Is FOX part of the conspiracy, or are were they just predicting that the leads were going to be lost because their analysts and stats folks saw it coming too??
Trump won Texas, Florida and Ohio with in person votes

Yes fox is part of this steal. They called Arizona on election night and it is looking like it could go either way.
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11-06-2020 , 01:51 PM
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As an addendum sometimes I don't know what I believe and I also think about lots of things probabilistically so that makes some spots much fuzzier
yeah I mean this is sort of what IANAW and I get that. I think its find in situations to say "I am not sure what I think, but what about XYZ?"

As opposed to coming at someone and mocking them and disparaging their views as a way to get them to defend them and see if you can learn something. Which is what certain posters do, I feel.
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11-06-2020 , 01:51 PM
I think the conspiracy is its trump vs the deep state and he's the only one they are working against.
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11-06-2020 , 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Birdman10687
I would imagine one of the big reasons to not call the election is ratings.

Is that too cynical?
I think so. They want to have next to no chance of a mistake, and so there's a lot of reason there to be conservative, but also they want to be seen to be being prudent - it will go down terribly if they call things against trump with perceived large ##s of votes to come, even if there's realistically zero chance of an upset.
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11-06-2020 , 01:52 PM
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again every trump legal challenge has been tossed immediately as looney tunes even by hyper partisan conservative judges like the one in texas about curb side voting.

also everyone is nervous to call the race because fox news "****ed up" by calling arizona fairly early.. and then some more but not enough trump votes started showing up making the media nervous about being wrong..
They won multiple legal battles in PA already. One to separate votes that came in after election day and another to allow poll watchers within the 6 feet to watch, rather than the 50 feet they were trying before in Phil.y
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11-06-2020 , 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Jsmith27
There is some video proof. I have already posted some in thread. In philly they were blocking poll watchers from watching the count. That is proof that the situation is open to fraud. Then you have videos of mailman saying they will get ballots and give it to some guy when they find them. I said I will make a post later compiling all the proof. But none of it is going to be as hard evidence as someone who protects elections as their job. They need something more, which I hope they will have, that will show the mail in ballots are not legitimate. Thats why it needs to go to court and the signatures on the ballots need to be looked over.
they were not blocking poll watchers from viewing the counts. to my knowledge trumps attorneys have already admitted in court that they were not blocking poll watchers..

they were blocking random weirdos like you from trying to intimidate the vote coutners..
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11-06-2020 , 01:53 PM
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except nothing wrong with bank robberies
true
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11-06-2020 , 01:53 PM
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I would like domers take on what he believes the real time odds should have been on the election if he sees this. Maybe still busy gambling.
there was an ex poker player turned bitcoin mogul on twitter who claimed to have bought trump at 30 and sold him at 70 to make a million all on the day of the election.
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11-06-2020 , 01:53 PM
Come on ppl. Don't feed the trolls.
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11-06-2020 , 01:54 PM
In Cuba, anyone is allowed to watch votes be counted.
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11-06-2020 , 01:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Birdman10687
I mean it is a bit funny to take our elections which is the biggest, most unreliable, manipulated jumble**** literally every time it happens and pretend that suddenly a few thousand ballots were fraudulently used to swing an election.

That’s like arguing whether the get away car of a bank robbery committed a parking violation.
Trump is the omega level example of 'accuse the opposition of what you're guilty of'. Nepotism, corruption, vote rigging. All of it.
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11-06-2020 , 01:56 PM
Someone reopen the We Get It thread, so we can make a 'we get it, bridman, in Cuba the we get it thread is never locked'
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11-06-2020 , 01:57 PM
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Someone reopen the We Get It thread, so we can make a 'we get it, bridman, in Cuba the we get it thread is never locked'
If you are allowed to keep whining about Corbyn then I can talk about Cuba.
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11-06-2020 , 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Birdman10687
yeah I mean this is sort of what IANAW and I get that. I think its find in situations to say "I am not sure what I think, but what about XYZ?"

As opposed to coming at someone and mocking them and disparaging their views as a way to get them to defend them and see if you can learn something. Which is what certain posters do, I feel.
Maybe all of us at some point!

So one could say something like" I think the us would be better off without the senate and electoral college but also believe eliminating them isn't a magical solution that will fix everything as it's seemingly sometimes presented.". I feel like the second part is sometimes why people buckle down against the first part instead of just saying that.
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11-06-2020 , 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Jsmith27
Yeah big tech is working heavily against Trump to try to steal the election from him. They have been using everything they can for years to try to hurt him and his supporters. It is cool you find big corporations abusing poor citizens as a joke.
If this were true Twitter would have deleted his account.

That's something they could have ACTUALLY done to hurt him, and they didnt.
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11-06-2020 , 01:58 PM
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11-06-2020 , 02:01 PM
"I don't have to imagine it, I just did it "
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11-06-2020 , 02:08 PM
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In Cuba, anyone is allowed to watch votes be counted.
Well when votes don't actually matter...
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