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06-05-2016 , 12:58 AM
Anarchist, you seem to be waffling here, given the views you've expressed lately. Are you voting for Hillary, for Trump, or for Gary lol Johnson? Or maybe Kristol's French guy.
06-05-2016 , 01:19 AM
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Originally Posted by domer2
Another conservative weighs in on the judge topic, finds Trump to be racist:
Do you write headlines for the New York Times or something? Gingrich never used the "r" word about Trump.
/s/ "Trump Cultist"

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Originally Posted by kioshk
Anarchist, you seem to be waffling here, given the views you've expressed lately. Are you voting for Hillary, for Trump, or for Gary lol Johnson? Or maybe Kristol's French guy.
I can answer this one for him as regarding Trump.

Anarchist is NOT voting for Trump.

You can ask him about the others.

No one who posts in this thread has ever said they would vote for Trump, or endorsed Trump, or said they support him in any way, except yours truly.

Last edited by Zorkman; 06-05-2016 at 01:21 AM. Reason: and Kioshk, why haven't you signed up to play Secret Hitler next week?
06-05-2016 , 01:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Anarchist
we know trump is lying all the time. that's why we're not worried that he's "literally hitler" or that he's gonna round anybody up or build a wall or ban abortion or gives japan nukes. he doesn't have real policies. the anti-trump worry warts are as hilarious as the pro-trump obsessives
dangerous thinking, incredibly dangerous.

recognizing that trump lies all time, has no policy positions, and is generally clueless about the world around him is only getting about halfway there. that in and of itself is disqualifying as far as I am concerned, but again, it is only the half of it.

the other half is remembering what he says in unguarded moments which reveal how he thinks & how he will govern. things like praising the Tiananmen square massacre, or saying he wants to kill women & children, or expanding torture, or praise for putin, or his overt dislike for other races. these are not to get votes, this reveals a sinister, authoritarian view of the world and the role of the government in that world.

he is also prone to conspiratorial thinking, whether it be viewing anyone who criticizes him as an enemy, or being duped into things like thinking autism is caused by vaccines (which he believes), or seriously suggesting ted cruz's father was linked to the jfk assassination, or that obama is a secret Muslim not born in the US.

i posted this a while ago, and ill repeat it again: support for trump is not a political choice, it is a moral one. the man represents something that is completely antithetical to american democracy.

and the limitations on the executive branch that existed for hundreds of years are not what they once were. they have been slowly dismantled over the previous two presidencies, with very little transparency. trump is a legitimate danger.

which is not to say that the political class in this country aren't themselves terrible, but suggesting that Trump represents an antidote to that is dangerous and stupid thinking. offensively stupid.
06-05-2016 , 01:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Anarchist
we know trump is lying all the time. that's why we're not worried that he's "literally hitler" or that he's gonna round anybody up or build a wall or ban abortion or gives japan nukes. he doesn't have real policies. the anti-trump worry warts are as hilarious as the pro-trump obsessives
No, pretty sure he is going to implement his plans and promises he has made on the trail. And doing so would make him the opposite of Hitler, ducy?
06-05-2016 , 01:26 AM
I'm voting for Trump because he's right on illegal immigration and national sovereignty. Secret Hitler is not at all my type of thing. At this point, I'm here in pog to play sheep and delight the Pub with my droll dry wit.
06-05-2016 , 01:26 AM
"support for trump is not a political choice, it is a moral one." - Domer

"Support for Clinton is not a political choice; it is an immoral one." - me
06-05-2016 , 01:30 AM
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Originally Posted by kioshk
I'm voting for Trump because he's right on illegal immigration and national sovereignty. Secret Hitler is not at all my type of thing. At this point, I'm here in pog to play sheep and delight the Pub with my droll dry wit.


06-05-2016 , 01:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Zorkman
No one who posts in this thread has ever said they would vote for Trump, or endorsed Trump, or said they support him in any way, except yours truly.
both mets & kioshk are big Trump supporters. Mark_K also has said he will vote for Trump, and I believe Pyramid Scheme is a Trump voter as well.

This thread has probably the highest per capita Trump supporters anywhere on 2p2.

I do not know your demographics, but I believe those other 4 are all older, white men, which is Trump's wheelhouse.

In fact, Trump's core support is economically disaffected, poorly educated, old white males who are somewhere above 0 on the racist spectrum. This group is prone to gullibility, for obvious reasons.

I'll leave you to infer from their posting whether any of them fit all or part of that bill.
06-05-2016 , 01:36 AM
domer, there's a massive gulf in between what me and you think trump actually believes. i don't think there's any chance he believes obama is a secret kenyan muslim or any of that other stuff. i think he's to the left politically of george bush, mittens romney, theodore cruz, or any of the other people who have gotten close to the presidency
06-05-2016 , 01:37 AM
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Originally Posted by kioshk
Anarchist, you seem to be waffling here, given the views you've expressed lately. Are you voting for Hillary, for Trump, or for Gary lol Johnson? Or maybe Kristol's French guy.
gary johnson
06-05-2016 , 01:38 AM
by the way, have you seen the latest from that charlatan dickface lindsey graham? trying to slip an anti-online gambling bill into a bigger piece of legislation. i'd vote trump over lindsey any day of the week
06-05-2016 , 01:42 AM
****ing Lindsey Graham, God I hate that guy. What a weasel.
06-05-2016 , 01:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Anarchist
domer, there's a massive gulf in between what me and you think trump actually believes. i don't think there's any chance he believes obama is a secret kenyan muslim or any of that other stuff. i think he's to the left politically of george bush, mittens romney, theodore cruz, or any of the other people who have gotten close to the presidency
Just to be clear, you do know he is good friends with the editor of the National Enquirer and reads that for "news"?

The dude literally gets his news from cable TV, the NY Post tabloid, the National Enquirer tabloid, talk radio, and things of that nature. He also has his assistant print out articles where he is mentioned, and reads those daily.

These thoughts are not the product of a sound mind:

https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/...95292191248385

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...47268763676673

I think where the massive gulf exists is what I know about Trump and what you know.
06-05-2016 , 01:47 AM
i completely agree that trump is clueless. i've said about a hundred times that if you asked trump whether isis is sunni or shia, he's flip a coin to decide

can you explain what specific things trump would do that would be worse than a bush or a cruz or some other radical christian? they're also anti-global warning, pro-war, etc
06-05-2016 , 02:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Anarchist
i completely agree that trump is clueless. i've said about a hundred times that if you asked trump whether isis is sunni or shia, he's flip a coin to decide

can you explain what specific things trump would do that would be worse than a bush or a cruz or some other radical christian? they're also anti-global warning, pro-war, etc
As a start, he'd be in control of a drone program and a domestic spy apparatus that both operate without Congressional oversight.

No way you can convince me that anyone who has run for office since arguably George Wallace (and Trump is worse than Wallace in my mind) would be more prone to abuse that type of power than Trump. Like not even close.
06-05-2016 , 02:02 AM
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Originally Posted by domer2
Just to be clear, you do know he is good friends with the editor of the National Enquirer and reads that for "news"?

The dude literally gets his news from cable TV, the NY Post tabloid, the National Enquirer tabloid, talk radio, and things of that nature. He also has his assistant print out articles where he is mentioned, and reads those daily.

These thoughts are not the product of a sound mind:

https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/...95292191248385

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...47268763676673

I think where the massive gulf exists is what I know about Trump and what you know.

both seem like comments to get attention and that might attract a republican audience.

they're very inflammatory. seems to be intentional.
06-05-2016 , 02:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Myrologue
both seem like comments to get attention and that might attract a republican audience.

there are other quotes that betray him. but those are red herrings i think.
It's the tip of the iceberg. There are many, many, many, many, many more examples.

He has years of insane ramblings.

He even spent an afternoon rambling about Robert Pattinson and Kristen Stewart. The guy is a few fries short of a Happy Meal.
06-05-2016 , 02:07 AM
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Originally Posted by domer2
It's the tip of the iceberg. There are many, many, many, many, many more examples.

He has years of insane ramblings.

He even spent an afternoon rambling about Robert Pattinson and Kristen Stewart. The guy is a few fries short of a Happy Meal.
Spoiler:
06-05-2016 , 02:08 AM
He's a man of the people!
06-05-2016 , 02:10 AM
dunno if i'd call trump crazy.

he seems a little out of touch sometimes. definitely a narcissist. he has no dignity. and he doesn't care who he hurts, as wehn he suggested his supporters should riot at bernie's rallies.

a sociopath then?

he does seem to care about some people more than others though.
06-05-2016 , 02:10 AM
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Originally Posted by domer2
dangerous thinking, incredibly dangerous.

recognizing that trump lies all time, has no policy positions, and is generally clueless about the world around him is only getting about halfway there. that in and of itself is disqualifying as far as I am concerned, but again, it is only the half of it.

the other half is remembering what he says in unguarded moments which reveal how he thinks & how he will govern. things like praising the Tiananmen square massacre, or saying he wants to kill women & children, or expanding torture, or praise for putin, or his overt dislike for other races. these are not to get votes, this reveals a sinister, authoritarian view of the world and the role of the government in that world.

he is also prone to conspiratorial thinking, whether it be viewing anyone who criticizes him as an enemy, or being duped into things like thinking autism is caused by vaccines (which he believes), or seriously suggesting ted cruz's father was linked to the jfk assassination, or that obama is a secret Muslim not born in the US.

i posted this a while ago, and ill repeat it again: support for trump is not a political choice, it is a moral one. the man represents something that is completely antithetical to american democracy.

and the limitations on the executive branch that existed for hundreds of years are not what they once were. they have been slowly dismantled over the previous two presidencies, with very little transparency. trump is a legitimate danger.

which is not to say that the political class in this country aren't themselves terrible, but suggesting that Trump represents an antidote to that is dangerous and stupid thinking. offensively stupid.
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Originally Posted by domer2
both mets & kioshk are big Trump supporters. Mark_K also has said he will vote for Trump, and I believe Pyramid Scheme is a Trump voter as well.

This thread has probably the highest per capita Trump supporters anywhere on 2p2.

I do not know your demographics, but I believe those other 4 are all older, white men, which is Trump's wheelhouse.

In fact, Trump's core support is economically disaffected, poorly educated, old white males who are somewhere above 0 on the racist spectrum. This group is prone to gullibility, for obvious reasons.

I'll leave you to infer from their posting whether any of them fit all or part of that bill.
06-05-2016 , 02:11 AM
clinton's still a few magnitudes worse.
06-05-2016 , 02:13 AM
Culver's >>> McDonald's btw. Except for the fries ofc
06-05-2016 , 02:14 AM
the murdering women and children comment, and the torture comment - these weren't 'unguarded' moments. i think he was appealing to certain demographics.
06-05-2016 , 02:31 AM
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Originally Posted by domer2

the other half is remembering what he says in unguarded moments which reveal how he thinks & how he will govern. things like praising the Tiananmen square massacre, or saying he wants to kill women & children, or expanding torture, or praise for putin, or his overt dislike for other races. these are not to get votes, this reveals a sinister, authoritarian view of the world and the role of the government in that world.
His praise of putin fits with my understanding of Trump's character. He values strength. That's probably why he lies so much to cover up his failures.

No idea if he actually dislikes other races, but his stance on immigration is probably a result of prejudice born from bad impressions.

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he is also prone to conspiratorial thinking, whether it be viewing anyone who criticizes him as an enemy, or being duped into things like thinking autism is caused by vaccines (which he believes), or seriously suggesting ted cruz's father was linked to the jfk assassination, or that obama is a secret Muslim not born in the US.
lot of people think vaccines do more harm than good. but i can't really blame them. you gotta read some academic papers if you're serious about informing yourself on topics like these.

his suggestion ted's father was linked to the jfk assassination sounded like a joke to be honest, or tongue in cheek. certainly got covered by the media.

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i posted this a while ago, and ill repeat it again: support for trump is not a political choice, it is a moral one. the man represents something that is completely antithetical to american democracy.
support for clinton is an equally abhorrent moral choice imo, but i'm just a canadian. what does a canadian know about american crimes...

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and the limitations on the executive branch that existed for hundreds of years are not what they once were. they have been slowly dismantled over the previous two presidencies, with very little transparency. trump is a legitimate danger.
really?

if you ask me he'll try to bankrupt america and flee overseas. it'll be funny.

and that's certainly no worse than giving the money to corporations that aren't owned by trump.

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which is not to say that the political class in this country aren't themselves terrible, but suggesting that Trump represents an antidote to that is dangerous and stupid thinking. offensively stupid.
well...

he's never said he would get rid of money in politics, and i dont think he has a plan in that regard... so of course he doesn't represent an antitode. most anyone could reasonably saya about trump is he is a reprieve from the mundane.

      
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