You'll get my catfish when you pry it from my cold dead hands.

Half is better than none.

I am 100% comfortable with someone being penalized for illegally possessing a firearm, so it's not "nobody" anymore!

We don't need to go house-by-house to "round 'em up", as Doomsday Anarchist foretells. People are already searched incident to arrest and/or warrant with great frequency.

But the issue we're addressing isn't policing the guns that are out. It is preventing more guns from being distributed INCORRECTLY.

Again, the jerkoff in Florida just bought that thing two weeks prior; he didn't have a cache of old Mujahadeen armaments in his bunker.

Terry v. Ohio might be the single largest affront to individual liberty in the history of US jurisprudence, and this has absolutely nothing to do with race.

Murder laws are similarly useless and should be disposed of, I suppose.

Great David Horowitz piece on Trump's national security speech today, contrasting it with Hillary's flaccid appeasement approach to the Islamic problem. http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presid...-game-changer/

If only we could put to bed once and for all this false narrative that only guns possessed by career criminals are used to kill innocent people.

Nothing special about the guns themselves

sorry dude, but what you mean is that you're not part of the problem

unfortunately, the people on the left with audiences very much are

http://quillette.com/2015/12/19/glen...low-traveller/

Maybe gun prohibition will work just like alcohol and drug prohibition.

Common sense prohibition of course.

I'll take my chances with an armed person getting a " lucky" shot when focused on a specific target.

Exactly. Next we can ban unhealthy food, keep everyone healthy. What a paradise we'll have then, full of sober peaceful healthy slaves! The perfect world, where everyone will be best buddies.

really getting tired of this nonsense - you guys either can't or won't read

have fun circle jerking in imagination land

where you have a Safe Space for calling gays whiners for being routinely discriminated against in public and private spheres; calling women "shrill harpies" for speaking out against your closed-minded notions of wage-fairness; citing police antagonism against blacks as proof that blacks are predominately criminals; and painting all muslims as blood-crazed rapists


but I guess I am just an idiotic, lunatic Warrior for Social Justice, which is apparently a pejorative term because "justice" is a bad thing in terms of social relations


get bent




I'm on Valium right now, which is supposed to be chilling me out, but instead it's suppressing my vitriol for your persistent douche-baggery and flagrant disregard for common decency and respect for your fellow human beings

I think the valium is making you really high and stupid.

http://www.theatlantic.com/education...f-fear/486338/

sounds familiar

lol, yeahhhhhhhhh. You're already not allowed to use guns in criminal fashion. They're are undoubtedly evil people who are stopped only by things like murder laws. People who are NOT stopped by murder laws will NOT be stopped by gun laws. People that ARE stopped by murder laws don't need gun laws to stop them, they're already not doing it.

Look I do agree with you that you will reduce it slightly at least if it is somewhat harder to get pointless weapons... and I find it hard to believe most people on the right want people on the terror watch list buying guns, so I'm not even sure what some of this argument it even over.

Sometimes I think people are just looking to latch onto their "side" and blame everyone on the other side entirely. We have a lot of mass shootings. The ease of getting guns and Muslims are both factors in these and there are some other factors we aren't even talking about. Making it about ONE ISSUE and even addressing that ONE ISSUE won't make them completely go away, they'll barely make a dent.

Making guns illegal will make a small dent (they exist and bad guys will still get them), banning Muslims from entering the country will only make a small dent (we have had this problem since Columbine) People need to admit that there is no 1 solution, starting to get sick of all the dishonesty from everyone.

maybe. what's your excuse?

Why is Mr. Valium so angry? Y'all are having a political discussion/disagreement and he's spewing bilious insults. Agree to disagree!

in a surprising twist, it seems that the orlando shooter may have himself been gay and also may have claimed allegiance to hezbollah, al quaeda and isis over the last few years despite them being rival groups.

We're not "close-minded" about wage fairness for DISAGREEING with you. From my perspective you are close minded. I've read the arguments from both sides, and it's a fictitious problem. We live in a free society, women make different choices and consequently earn less. I contend that you are "close-minded" for continuing to insist it's a problem. I agree people shouldn't call women "shrill harpies" for simply being wrong about something. I also would prefer not to be called a sexist bigot for being correct


Also stop citing Black criminality as proof of police antagonism against Blacks

And why shouldn't we paint all Muslims as rapists. I assume we mean male Muslims and I have learned men in general have a rape culture so we're just being good liberals by painting them as rapists. Look in all seriousness I don't think ALL Muslims think women who show too much skin and have pre-marital intercourse deserve to be raped. It's probably only half or so.

Yeah.... I had heard this yesterday in alternative media and now it seems to be seeping into mainstream. I'm obviously not surprised... those photos of him in the NYPD shirts really made me think guy was not always a radical/ also portraying an air of macho-ness.

More than likely his 1600's religious upbringing conflicted with his true self, and he hated himself. We see this type of thing ALL the time with hardcore Christians who hate gays, and liberals love pointing out. See no reason it can't happen to people practicing Islam too.

The main difference is the Christians will mostly just hold up signs and give sermons on how all the gays are going to hell, not launch a terrorist attack and murder 49 people.

you're right. ****ty people are the problem. so let's stop them from tooling up. this is not a difficult concept.

I previously posted a link to a 2015 gun law which would ban people on terrorist lists from getting them. The GOP shot it down. Try again to base your premises on your conclusions.

No, "Muslims" are not a factor. Do you see an exception carved into the 1st Amendment for Islam?

Reactionary hatred, insistence on the restoration of a broken, by-gone era; these are the problems, and they are not unique to Islamic society.

jfc

and I also can't believe that that second point actually IS something that has been suggested here by people who claim to celebrate Enlightenment notions of liberty

Columbine was not the beginning of mass violence in America. *******s have been doing it here since before our aristocracy cast out the british.

no, we have tried to have a discussion

rather than appraise and respond to points being made, people are railing on their own fantasy counter-points (ban all guns?! no wai!!), arguing against the wind between their ears, changing the subject every time they are proven foolish, and then somehow circling back to their original positions as if hundreds of posts between had never been submitted

I just wanna hear a sound argument for gun prohibition that makes sense where alcohol prohibition didn't and where drug prohibition is currently succeeding.

Stop twisting my words. I did not say Ban Muslims! I said that it would reduce terrorist attacks. And it would. It can't not be true because you don't want it to be true. I also said "banning guns" would make a dent. I don't subscribe to banning all guns either. The point of the post was to make people understand there is no ONE CAUSE, not say we should do that stuff.

Saying Islam is not a factor BECAUSE of the 1st Amendment would be like me saying guns are not a factor BECAUSE of the 2nd Amendment. C'mon dude get really. Islam is the most dangerous religion in existence. It's not debatable, I'm sure you were one of those people fully behind banning a FLAG when a White guy killed some people. You need to stop using the color of people's skin to base your politics.

Catching catfish with your bare hands is called noodling btw. It's considered a little déclassé tbh. There's an excellent documentary about noodling and noodlers that used to be on Netflix.

IAMAWW:

To be clear if I say "Killing everyone with AIDS" would cure the world of AIDS... This does not mean I want to kill everyone with AIDS. The statement also doesn't magically become false because it's "evil" either.

Admit Islam is responsible for a large amount of terror and regressive attitudes towards women more so than any other religion. I know they aren't White and it makes it hard for you but you'll feel better.

So we agree that a hard ban on assault rifles accomplishes nothing?