i asked atak too look back when he claimed because i thought a fair amount of people had some wolfy reactions to it
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Originally Posted by YouKnowWho
My understanding of WW mechanics is on par with Kukras role reading abilities - I am trying, but I just dont comprehend. From what I understand, this heavily implies that atak is a wolf, because wolves only got one kill, while atak was blocked? Can someone ELI5 exactly how all of this works?
could just be role neutral confusion
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Originally Posted by sixfour
this is taking more time than it looks
sucks if kukra is the roleblocker, as probably the most clear person it doesn't add much
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Originally Posted by sixfour
I'm at the confused stage right now, I was hoping that we wouldn't be at end game already, I think I have to go cn, atakdog would hit process of elimination soon enough but I'm failing to see how this is close today. Will check back in in a little bit but I'm extremely tired right now so won't be waiting forever to vote
but clearly wolves dont know how to react to this kukra/atak business and its easier to just come in and say im confused lets move on and not really spend much time trying to parse it out
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Originally Posted by Felix the Cat
Hi!
aaronk56, why did you snap vote this morning knowing that a claim would be resolved today? Crossnerd is a wolf but she's not a mechanically confirmed wolf, and this morning there was a nonzero chance she either is RB or would claim RB and spew a bit. I even pointed this out late yesterday (albeit briefly and slightly cryptically because it was a :00 post).
just kind of ignoring it but also felix pushing ak56 so hard over this felt wolfy.
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Originally Posted by KruZe
alright I'm back home
can't say I have any groundbreaking things to say at the moment
I'm cool with Crossnerd wagon today obviously as I've said that more than a few times.
I'm not sold on atak being a wolf yet but a lot of others seem to be so I will most certainly be giving him a closer look, as well as most of the others still alive.
The roleblock discussion over the last few hours was interesting/sounded really good for villa so well played.
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atak posts pretty well during this time and kukra/books/myself all agree.
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Originally Posted by Kukraprout
I may or may not have completely changed my mind on atak in just one page, after calling him a wolf for 4 days and confirming it through game mechanics.
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Originally Posted by Kukraprout
This feels line shortline all over again.
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Originally Posted by wdcbooks
I am really starting to think Atak may be villa. I need to explain why in case I am killed.
It is not only plausible that the wolves went after Tokyo, it is probable. Iwould put him at the top of a list of best villagers I have ever played with and it was immediately clear he was going to be a pain in the ass if left alive.
I have been in many situations where I thought someone was a wolf and then things changed and I was reluctant to change my mind because I didn’t want to be owned. I did that this game with Luckbox (not with Shorty, I thought he was a wolf to the end). So if I decide the mechanics are not convincing I look at Atakdog’s choices today.
If he is a wolf then first, he doesn’t choose the obvious path of counterclaim. What I would have expected is that he just gives up. He has been on the block for ages and there are a bunch more teammates. Why not just go into anti-spew? He may be amazing at this, but i am starting to think the only way his reaction makes sense is if he is a villager. Is that insane?
felix however does not. and wants to keep him as a viable mislynch. this is the strongest opinion felix has had in days, mind you.
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Originally Posted by Felix the Cat
Wasn't it one of you who warned us yesterday (or 2 days ago?) of atak swooping in to claim villa captaincy? (it could have been dmk, I just remember a clear villa saying it)
He hasn't even claimed villa captaincy, but we should keep in mind he's entirely capable of posting well for a day or two as a wolf at must-shun.
IMO he's not even posting well, go re-skim his posts since the RB claim. Beyond not literally claiming wolf and doing a decent job of being confused about mechanics he's adding almost no information to the thread. As villa I'd think he'd want to find and push the wolf team - if only for pride's sake.
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Originally Posted by Felix the Cat
like yeah, I know this wolf team is setting world records for low effort wolfing, but writing a few hundred words about mechanics is entirely within... basically everyone's wolf range, honestly, and atak's in particular.
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Originally Posted by jonnyd
Atak Isn’t really captaining tho
Idk maybe he saw binkles blueprint on how to win this villa over and is following it but idk
Idk
felix has the right to disagree obv but it just feels out of step with how the villa coalition felt.
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Originally Posted by sixfour
[b]crossnerd
sixfour has seen enough
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Originally Posted by Felix the Cat
If he's a wolf he knows that most or all of the people he could plausibly counterclaim against are also wolves. The RB possibilities are 2 lock clear villas, jonnyd, me, and whoever's villa out of the remainder. If the remaining villas are like aaronk/YKW/nich I think he can correctly reason that we're ~never voting for his counterclaim. Counterclaiming only really helps if RB is exactly sixfour/Crossnerd/KruZe I think. So preemptively claiming villa makes sense to me as a level if those are 3/3 of his wolf teammates. At this point I think we're really sure that Crossnerd is wolf, sixfour seems almost certainly wolf (say 90%), KruZe is a wolf pretty often, so "atakdog can usefully counterclaim RB" doesn't have very much equity.
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Originally Posted by Felix the Cat
I can see how it's more apparent to me since I read this all in one sitting while most of you read it piece by piece in real time.
Here are all of atakdog's posts since the RB claim. I think it's pretty clear what's going on here if you read them all together.
Posts: 18
Wolves identified: 0
Villas cleared: 0
Live people talked about: 1 cleared villa (Kukra)
Times it was helpfully clarified that he'd totally never do this as the wolf vig: 1
If that ain't anti-spew mode I don't know what is.
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Originally Posted by Felix the Cat
and the other point is that if we merge all of our "wolf list 1"s the list is too long, we still have to clear like 2 villas, so we can't safely put atak at the end of our joint "wolf list 1" for good behavior or whatever
so we don't have room to 'resolve' people before atak, either our joint "wolf list 1" is exactly the wolf team, or we have to eliminate wolfiest -> less wolfiest. I'm fine with sixfour > atakdog but thus far atak's posting today hasn't really moved the needle for me, he's still basically lock wolf. As I see it he was already like 90% wolf - the only reason it's not 100% is that there are too many wolves and not enough villas clearing themselves - and Kukra's claim only reinforces that view for me.
im at the point where felix is either bussing atak or that im just wrong
