So IYO is there another bill that's supposed to go through this year that is better than this?

No.

Posting stuff like this is like saying, "he could have this and this and this in his range" to justify your donk stackoff when it was apparent the only thing he had was the nuts. Come on people, let this **** go. This bill isn't it. Everyone who's got any type of idea or is close to the situation is coming out and saying it's not going to happen.

omg the horrible poker analogies.

The cybersecurity bill could be the perfect vehicle for Reid/Kyl to unleash UIGEA II/ipoker.

This. Just stop please.

Not important, so nevermind please.

What's worse, poker analogies or posting brainless assumptions and rumors with your stupid twists of logic to get your hopes up? I mean come on, at least this is a poker forum.

And why do you think the house wanted these players to remain in the game?

Answer: Because they spent meaningless hours, grinding there brains out "thinking" they were winning (Rakeback) when in reality, they were probably making the same fricken mistakes over and over, and over again. The sites loved this because of the amount of hands one would play in such a manner.

I doubt Federal U.S Legislation would ever lend to this type of fallacy. There incentives would obviously be dramatically different, or at least that is what I hope for.

To be noted- You assume Rakeback, is something that should be accepted and normal? How about just standard rake? Everyone pays the same thing, on a Federal level, and if you cant then dont play, period. Not one policy for one group of players, that is behind closed doors, and different for others. Its well known now FTP was giving rediculous Rakeback options to certain players, but not others, I have played alot live, and never known one Casino in all my travels to ever do such a dirty thing. Comp yes, but you earn them, the way the online sites were doing it was criminal in nature, and not fair whatsoever imo.

You act like Federal Legislation/Government is going to actually legalize this with our best intentions. You don't think that this is going to be about money and how to maximize money earned from the consumer?

It would be nice to know where we stand, but I doubt there is an honest source privy to Reid's decision making on this. Undoubtedly, some part of the industry crushed inclusion again, this time privately. And, if the PPA knows, they won't rally us for a boycott, yet again. These fake sweats are going to turn more and more people off daily and independent action. We could use some sort of state of regulation speech and Q&A.

If you're a red sox fan you must've looked like a prophet in 2004.

The next thing likely to get a vote is the Transportion Bill. Barton may be more help there. That is a horse traded bill if there ever was one.

I won't be so rude as to say "can we dial down the stupid that has infected this thread", but I will say that I am enjoying the on-topic posts much more than off-topic posts and I suspect I'm not alone. Thanks.

JFC can you please take the livedonk trolling somewhere else?

More germane is the question of how much Reid wants this. And, is he being held back privately by Adelson or Indian-friendly legislators? What sucked from the last session was that it came out Reid had no plan and no bill ready to go. We are beggars to an extent, but how many times can the rumor be floated, action be solicited, and then find out there was no bill and no chance before the 2p2community stops participating at all?

Actually when the Sox were down 3-0 I made a 20:1 bet on $1 dollar that they would come back and win. Was in high school.

I genuinely think, a Federal Bill is the only vehicle that will create a fair and trustworthy enviroment to bring back the casual gambler. Most good players realized the edge was shrinking like 2 years ago online. And even live, if you were "in the crew" and got backed you had a shot, but that only lended to certain groups of "staking syndicates" essentially buying uypwards of 40% of entire live 10k feilds. Thats a problem in itself, it was becoming one big circle jerk.

Online was even worse, at the $55 and up Multi-table tournaments, you were constantly seeing players who wer ein the feild, that were common, and somewhat commin in nature. They knew other players in the feild via syndicates, and so on. The problem with this was not that they were not talented, but there was never a new injection of cash flow. It was constantly certain people playing aganist others on a big scale. Obviously there were some exceptions, but for the most part, even if you were a relatively unkown and binked big, it wasnt long untill you were inundated with "freinds". Thus creating the huge circle jerk.

This whole dynamic is exactly what dried the games on Pokerstars and FTP up well before Black Friday, anyone with any business savy would have seen it coming form a mile away, the edge was simply shrinking.

With legislation on a day like today, I just was hoping we could puyt some much needed oversight on the game, in the fashion of the U.S Goverment. And rid out the cheaters, equity choppers and theifs, that bragged and lavishe din the unregulated market before. So I still hope by 5pm the tables turn, and maybe, just maybe we get a favorable attatchment!

Ok, as stated by previous posters, this conversation is over. So is the bill so this whole thread should just be locked for the sake of everyone insta-pressing F5.

first 3 games I bet on yankees, then the kid I was betting against wanted to switch so I was like ok, bet red sox next 4 games

So you ignore the people who don't line with the same optimism that you have?

I gotta say your suggestions are good in theory but unless there is big money involved, these phone calls and letters don't mean **** to our politicians. It's sad I know but in reality that's how our govt works. The ball never really got rolling on this thing until these big money casinos got involved.

Yes, you are are correct that sending the PPA some money is probably the #1 thing you can do to help.

Happily, it's a not a choice you have to make. You can participate in the DAP; contact your representatives via phone, snail mail, and in person; AND fund the PPA.

Think how much better all the contact activism would be if the PPA subordinated itself to the big money casinos. That might get us over the hump.

i just want my ****ing FTP money.

and regulated online poker obv

There are obvious advantages to the organization that represents the players actually being funded by the players.

When are these bills supposed to be voted on?