This is exactly what I believe is why Black Friday went down the way it did. B&M and Indian Casino interests want the top 2 sites, who controlled basically 90% of it, out of the American market.

Now the question is when will online poker be explicitly legalized and regulated, and which casino and other interests grab the first pieces of the pie that PS & FT were forced to vacate April 15th.

My guess is Wynn didn't know this was about to happen. But he didn't become a billionaire without being savvy. I think he took a look at the best companies in the online poker industry and chose PokerStars to do business with.

1. If they wanted to tax a multi-billion dollar industry, all they had to do was regulate it and force PS and & FT and the other sites to pay taxes. Given how much they were willing to cough up to "circumvent" the UIGEA, I think those sites would've gladly paid taxes to be licensed and provide games for Americans.

2. It obviously wasn't about morality, because we sanction lotteries, and that's pure gambling. Then there's the skill argument. Religious beliefs would need to draw a line where a game is gambling and therefore sinful and not gambling and therefore perfectly acceptable in the eyes of their god before we could actually debate this.

3. The UIGEA was lobbied for by Harrah's and the NFL for starters. Why? Because you're right, it's all about money. But while the government would love a tax revenue boon out of online poker, this is really about knocking FT & PS out of the lion's share of the American market so that sites like Zynga, Yahoo!, ESPN, and Harrah's can step in without competition.

Does anyone know who owns [deleted payment processor name and post]?

do you have a source for that? Sounds very interesting and for the argument that it was all over money and competition. I'm sick of hearing "think of the kids! they are going to become gambling addicts!" and "online poker is tearing families apart"

I am checking out some programs that make it look like Im in Canada or the UK, like I go to yahoo and it is Yahoo Canada and etc.
I know on stars support they say if you switch ip/vpn they may seize your account and etc...
But what is someone set up an account for us in another country, then we used one of those programs to look like we're there, can we play that way or will they find out?
If they do find out, would they care? I mean is it in their interest to go after stuff like this?

Does anyone have any info or ideas about this?

Steve

Both sites have stated repeatedly that they will ban you and possibly confiscate your funds if they detect any attempt to circumvent the block. It is possible to detect VPN's and other location-disguising technologies.

The NFL and Harrah's lobbying for the UIGEA is fact and can be Googled or searched for even on 2+2 I'm sure.

The part about me effectively ranting that corporations run our country is just speculation.

But it seems clear as day to me that these indictments were less about a money-grab, morality, and tax revenue, and more about just getting PS & FT tied up in court for years while Indian Casinos, B&Ms, and Horse Racing interests like Churchill Downs hop in and split the revenue FT and PS would've gotten with licenses.

If the headlines in the newspaper had read "Online Poker Now Legal" before Black Friday, everyone would've immediately signed up to PokerStars and/or Full Tilt without a doubt. Now those same headlines will surely drive Americans to companies who've been pushing for legislation that will inevitably pass in the near future.

Here is a short version of these

is it illegal for these 3 poker site to operated inside usa?

HELL. NO. since USA sign with the WTO. they didn't think the internet gaming would go this far. beside they want a pieces of pie

Yeah it's [deleted owner name]

Actually, I think they sold it off to [another deleted company name], which is owned by [yet another deleted name].

That's not the worst odds considering the defense teams involved. But if this goes to trial won't the site owners need to be at the trial? And if they do show up won't they be insta-shackled? So this doesn't really have a chance of going to trial right?

Should I post the following on the DoJ's facebook wall?

Not ALL of the defendants have to show up in order to have enough to present a defense. If an individual does not show, then yeah a defense unique to that individual would not normally be presented. But, there are several charges that are common to all of the defendants. Thus, if even one of them shows up, attorneys can mount a defense on those "common" allegations. Two or three people have already been arrested in the U.S. and those people might be enough at least to defend at least the common allegations.

Who is the owner of the sites that have been shut down,

Google is a hell of a tool

So shortly before black friday I requested a check for $1,124.38 from FULL TILTand I got the check shortly after black friday. I deposited and at first it appeared to clear , then it showed as bounced in my bank account. I emailed them a few times regarding my account to both the .com and .uk addresses and have not received a response. Is this money essentially gone. Is there someone who can help me with this? Or help me reach FullTilt supports help?

check out thte 'FTP checks' thread in the Internet Poker forum

Its been my belief for several years now that when the major US casino corps are ready for pro-online poker legislation we will get it. And not a second sooner.


http://money.cnn.com/2011/04/26/news...poker.fortune/

edit: sorry for the repost. alsdkghsaldgkshdg

There is a DOJ articles thread for posts like yours ... just FYI

And the reason Harrah Reid was pushing the Reid Bill last session (complete with 18+ month blackout) and why it failed is because Harrahs and MGM did not want online poker yet?

or maybe since they couldn't get the legislation, but needed the 18 month blackout we got black friday...by that math we should have legalized online poker in 18 months....l

just joking of course but it wouldn't shock me.

Truth is that the DOJ marches to their own drum. They will try to enforce until the day it is legalized. Congress and the DOJ are not exactly working together on this stuff imho.

What's better than keeping FTP/PS out of the US for 18 months?

So I read that PStars is now allowing US people to cashout - and somehow ppl are still complaning thats its a one shot cashout - who cares...you have your money, thats what counts - and yet still not even an email, response, or general information on the status of FTP and UB.

This is raising a Huge red flag to me.

My question is, who is in the same boat (having funds on FTP) and has ANYONE gotten a suitable response from FTP support?

I'd like this to be a thread where FTP (and other sites) can update other members of the status of their withdrawals and/or communication with FTP support.

The worst part about it is....I just switched, about two months ago, from Pstars to FTP.....which apparently was a really bad decision.

I look forward to hearing from other FTP users.

discussed all over the place. no use for this thread.

Im an idiot....close the thread. I found it...just had to dig....still new at this forum thing.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28...thread-186444/

What do you want people to say?