wow lol Ive played with you on FT so many times

and then when you stack him over and over tell him he must softly kiss you on the neck while sitting on a park bench and he can have his money back

[ ] Op is not ghey

Thanks for taking a great thread and making it beyond fantastic. When I read your post it was like a shard of light shot directly into my brain. It took several minutes for me to recover from its sheer awesomeness. When I came to, I was lying on the floor, tears streaming down my cheeks, excrement everywhere. I looked in the mirror and the word "GOD" was etched in my forehead with a knife. The world will never look the same to me again. Thank you for changing my life forever.

In case AndreasX is confused:
[x] sarcasm

In my last, perhaps futile attempt to be serious, it is actually quite possible OP is not gay. What he's describing sounds a lot like transgenderism, which is completely separate from sexual orientation. I apologize if i was ever vague or patronizing - it was always my sincere intention to help.

no more dreams op?

Why would this be your last attempt at being serious? Your other comments were quite alright, imo.

As far as this term "transgender" and the link you provided, the first bullet point is a good description of some of what I've been saying itt

I definitely wouldn't call myself "transgender" for many reasons; the most prevailing reason is the fact that it assumes way too much.

For some reason, people love to put labels on others in order to make it easier for head counting. With gender, this is simply a bad idea.

Easy example... if I were to like the color pink (I think it's okay, but not a favorite), then people would automatically classify me as gay or girly. Why? Because we have been brought up from the cradle to think this way. In all honesty, there is no reason why pink shouldn't be shared by both males and females.

That, of course, is a simple example. There are many more examples to choose from. Much of the emphasis on gender roles (and building of them) occurs through the media. I mean all forms of media. Watch a beer commercial or a truck commercial and tell me which gender role is played up (you'll be more _____ if you buy this product).

Here's a little personal example: I eat Luna bars. I like these. Why? Because they taste good and are healthy! I'm not gonna let some marketing aholes tell me what to eat. What am I, gonna grow tits and a mystery tunnel just because I like their bars? I haven't, btw.

Another problem with "transgender" is the term itself. It assumes moving from one gender (which has a fluid definition formed by society) to another. This reinforces the idea that one is "better" than another for all people; it also reinforces the binary system for gender.

As a few have alluded to- gender is not binary! Obviously, we all (should naturally) have a blend of these traits. Yes, it might be 95% male to 5% female, but it is what it is. My ratio might be something like 87% to 13%. I will not deny my 13%!

Even the American Psychiatric Association gets it wrong. They have a disorder called "gender identity disorder" in the DSM IV. Obviously, there's something wrong with this diagnosis on the whole. It might be harder for someone who has a ratio that is skewed to the "opposite" gender, but it doesn't mean they have a disorder. It means they're different, but that in no way should it impede their lives.... except through the reaction from society. What I mean is, the person with this "disorder" would not have any adverse affect on his or her life except when others oppress them. It is really society's lack of flexibility and a general narrow-mindedness that is the disorder.

The DSM used to have homosexuality as a disorder as well (and has removed it in version IV). The DSM changes with each new version, so these "disorders" are really what the group of doctors deem as disorders in that time period. I would hope that "gender identity disorder" gets taken out in the next version.

Please forgive me for the length of this post.

Cliffs:

I don't like the term "transgender"

I do like Luna Bars.

I apologize for the length of the post.

Here's something for your time:

[x] penis

I have to admit, i want to see more photoshopped durrrr ladies.

[x] ballbag

based on that picture, I'd do Durrr until my dick fell off. Then I'd reattach it and do him some more. If that makes me ghey or a transgender or even a trans am I don't care. Just don't call me a washing machine.

OP at least now we can be pretty certain you're not leveling.

I included the link to the wikipedia definition of 'transgender' in an attempt to show the rest of the readers that we're not necessarily just talking about sexual orientation here. I apologize if it offended you.

You need to understand that to most of the population gender is pretty much binary, particularly if you're defining it biologically (with some rare exceptions you're either XX or XY, end discussion). It gets a little more complicated when you start talking about how you identify your gender regardless of your chromosomes. But still, to most of us, it's still fairly binary. Yes, many men have some feminine qualities and vice versa, but most of us don't morph between the two to any significant degree.

You've been saying that the rest of us are slaves to the prototypical gender roles that have been forced on us by the media, and it doesn't surprise me that most readers are responding with total shock. Beer commercials don't have a political agenda. They aren't brainwashing us into seeing the world in gender stereotypes. They're just trying to sell beer and so they're carefully constructed to appeal to men who honestly see the world in terms of trucks and tits and sports and sweat. It's just that simple. We're not slaves to the stereotypes - we truthfully don't see the world as a blending of genders, we don't have androgynous dreams like the ones you've described, and we aren't secretly both genders simultaneously.

Whatever the root I really believe that your perspectives on gender are uncommon. The readers have made a mistake by writing you off as a closeted gay man, but I do think you're making the mistake of dismissing them when they say "No dude, we don't have those dreams or thoughts." We really don't. We're not in denial about our dual-natures, we just plain don't have them. It's for this reason that I was suggesting a more supportive community for the discussion. I think it's probably just as difficult for us to comprehend your perspective on gender as it is for you to comprehend ours (and for the sake of context I'm straight, married, a father of two, and confidently identify myself as a straight man).

Who the f cares if someone is gay? Not saying OP is but damn this forum is childish/idiotic.

god jimmy you are ****ing annoying. more shops, and less psychobabble.

oh my

That's not durrrr, that's Liv Boeree, the hottest poker player alive.

imo

^^^^I'd hit all three of those chicks...at the same time. As well as the four op posted. And durrr.

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Whoah, JimmyLegs.

I am not painting with such a broad brush as you describe, and I am not trying to bring politics into this. I did say that marketing has much to do with it. I am glad you provided the link.

To correct this statement: The only way gender is binary if you look at sex chromosomes!

We, as humans are made up of so much more than those chromosomes.

Gender is made up of much more. Much, much more. Tip: look at the WHO definition near the top.

Also, just because most of the population believes something, it doesn't mean it's right. This is part of the problem, imo.

I never said everyone is thinking this or nobody is thinking that. It's generally a mistake to do so, imo.


The percentages in my previous post covered some of what you are saying. I suggest you reread that part. The gist is that there are percentages of these gender traits. I fully acknowledge that my acceptance of my 13 (or whatever) percent of "female gendered" traits is abnormal. Sure, some people might happen to have nearly 100% of one or another, then they would happen to live exactly as society deems appropriate. Does this mean they have been brainwashed? No. It would be very hard to avoid, though.

To say that the media doesn't try to brainwash people is very naive, and I'm sure you don't believe that. By brainwashing, I merely mean suggesting in a way that influences thought. What do commercials do, anyways?

All media does this. They influence us whether we like it or not.

Why are you speaking for all men here? You are not all men. Most men might think this way, but not all (which is what you are implying with the "we").

I never said that.... nor do I believe it.

I completely comprehend it. It's not like we're a different species from another.

I think people need to try to understand others more, and it's not really that hard if you try.

Hey, JimmyLegs. I'm not trying to argue with you; hopefully I'm shedding some light on things. Since you opened up about your background a little, I will tell you that I am a single, hetero male teacher (all levels, but mostly college).

in b4 OP is called gay

Who is this????????

Are any of them actually poker players? Liv has actually won some stuff (almost 2 mill so far!). She also has a degree in astrophysics and shreds on the guitar!

Like all humans, she isn't perfect. She is signed up with AP/UB.

nice girls itt

Thx, OP. I will reread your posts, I'll check out the WHO page. And yes, I prob shouldn't have made such sweeping generalizations. It's been an interesting discussion in spite of the peanut gallery, so thx and gl.