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11-10-2011 , 08:22 PM
I think they should round up all the students rioting last night and make them attend an ethics/morality class.
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11-10-2011 , 08:24 PM
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Originally Posted by bowens
Joe Posnanski has taken a great deal of flak today around the interwebz. He tries to explain it here: http://joeposnanski.si.com/2011/11/1...nd-of-paterno/

This gave me chills.


I hear the stories, the countless stories, of the kindnesses that came naturally to him, of the way he stuck with people in their worst moments, of the belief he had that everybody could do a little bit better — as a football player, as a student, as a human being. I’m not going to tell you these stories now, because you can’t hear them. Nobody can hear them in the howling.
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11-10-2011 , 08:25 PM
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Originally Posted by CalledDownLight
But the sister wouldn't have stockholm syndrome (is that basically what this is?) or whatever its called because she wasnt the one affected. So while its highly emotional for her (she was getting sick in class being around other student talking/joking about it) she has probably thought about it before the reporter asked the question and reached this conclusion with a clearer mind than the victim themselves.
OK - so this random sister of a victim concludes that Paterno should finish out the season. And doesn't blame him. Who cares what this person thinks? She could just be an idiot for all I know.

Unless she has more facts on the case than we do, I don't see why you're legitimizing her POV. Proximity in no way confers legitimacy. (Case in point: the entire PSU student body.)
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11-10-2011 , 08:26 PM
I don't see how you make the case that you fire him, but also allow him to finish the season. This isn't somebody getting canned over coaching. Either he did something that makes him obviously unfit for the gig and should be out instantly, or he didn't and shouldn't be fired. (and it's obviously the first one) There's no argument for an inbetween.
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11-10-2011 , 08:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Aloysius
OK - so this random sister of a victim concludes that Paterno should finish out the season. And doesn't blame him. Who cares what this person thinks? She could just be an idiot for all I know.

Unless she has more facts on the case than we do, I don't see why you're legitimizing her POV. Proximity in no way confers legitimacy. (Case in point: the entire PSU student body.)
It's very clear that nobody, especially young people, who has lived under the cult of JoePa for a while is thinking rationally on this.
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11-10-2011 , 08:27 PM
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Originally Posted by bronx bomber
When I was about 19 I worked in a retail store as an assistant manager. My father walked in-I had not seen or talked to him in about 5 years. He was not a good man(no sexual abuse). I was so overwhelmed at that moment I freaked out. I started sweating, breathing hard, and I bet if you measured my blood pressure at that moment it would have been through the roof. At that moment I went to the back, sat down, caught my breath, and threw some water on my face.

I'm not making excuses for McCreary, but I am telling you what happened to me when faced with something so unexpected. Just so you know, there have been 3 times in my life where I have seen what I thought were women in danger. All three times I intervened-2 of those situations did not end well.

Read this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fight-or-flight_response

Careful, I tried to make the point that maybe McQueary was so shocked, stunned, not thinking clearly, frozen in disbelief, and people slammed me.

It's easy for someone who has never been in that situation to put on their Superman cape and say how they would have handled it, but you just never know, and apparently that did end the act, if Sandusky quits and takes the child away.

I mean, McQueary did do something, he told the most powerful man at Penn State, albeit the day after. Should he be critisised for not doing more, most likely,but it's not like he just kept it a secret.
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11-10-2011 , 08:28 PM
SPORTSbyBROOKS SPORTSbyBROOKS
Update: Source close to Penn St. football program has informed me McQueary will not coach on Saturday. Announcement later today or Friday.
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11-10-2011 , 08:29 PM
The other thing that bothers me about the Pos stuff...

Being nice to everybody and helping everybody out becomes a lot less commendable when you're also nice and helpy outy to a guy who you know is raping children.
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11-10-2011 , 08:31 PM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
Maybe she had made her decision before the kid came forward. If no one told the cops before 2008, what are the odds family members knew and didn't go to the cops? Probably low (although obviously non-zero, especially in Happy Valley). So maybe the investigation in 2009 or 2010 or something is where that kid came forward and told his story.

Just a possibility.
In one of the articles she said she knew when she chose Penn St.. I think it was on one of the PennLive links. She said that though Penn St. enabled it, that she felt it was a small part of what Penn State was and chose it because someone had cancer in her family and she thought they did good work on cancer charities. Totally her right, but just struck me as strange to admit a university enabled it, and then attend. I could understand had they prosecuted Sandusky that she might choose to forgive, and certainly it is a small part of Penn State. Either way, not my business to judge her, but I just found it an odd choice, but her choices may have been limited. I just find the culture around Penn St. kind of cultish, and it had that feel to it.
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11-10-2011 , 08:33 PM
Maybe she got a full scholarship paid for by Sanduskys charity? (Just speculating)
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11-10-2011 , 08:34 PM
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Either way, not my business to judge her
I'm comfortable judging anybody willing to overlook child rape in the name of cancer research.
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11-10-2011 , 08:35 PM
I'm not really sure about all the whistleblower protection status and all the legal views and everything.

I mean, in the end Sandusky will be the only one who is not given a legal; slap on the wrist.
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11-10-2011 , 08:37 PM
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Originally Posted by dstock
Careful, I tried to make the point that maybe McQueary was so shocked, stunned, not thinking clearly, frozen in disbelief, and people slammed me.

It's easy for someone who has never been in that situation to put on their Superman cape and say how they would have handled it, but you just never know, and apparently that did end the act, if Sandusky quits and takes the child away.

I mean, McQueary did do something, he told the most powerful man at Penn State, albeit the day after. Should he be critisised for not doing more, most likely,but it's not like he just kept it a secret.
Dude - everyone gets it. It's been well established that McQueary was in a pretty damn insane spot back in 2002 - he happens upon his Dad's friend/his good friend's father/his ex-coach/a man he likely admired for his whole life raping a 10 year old. So he understandably freaked out in the moment.

Then, for the next 6 years, he would pass by Sandusky on Penn State grounds with little kids. And did nothing to follow up. Obviously this is inexcusable.

At least he did the right thing in coming clean with the AG in 2008, though I'm also assuming the AG's office had tremendous leverage over McQueary to get that confession out of him (he knew he was taking the whole system down by giving that testimony). So I'm not sure if he gets much credit for that either.
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11-10-2011 , 08:38 PM
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Originally Posted by bronx bomber
Maybe she got a full scholarship paid for by Sanduskys charity? (Just speculating)
Quite possible. While we're specualting, McQueary's career has been on the steady incline too. All on merit, possibly.
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11-10-2011 , 08:40 PM
CNBCbrk: Joe Paterno has hired a prominent Washington criminal defense lawyer to represent him in the Penn State sex abuse case - NBC
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11-10-2011 , 08:43 PM
Management prof just ranted over joe being fired over the phone. I said he enabled child raping for over a decade. She said he had done too much good over 60 years. I went back to sleep.
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11-10-2011 , 08:43 PM
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11-10-2011 , 08:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Aloysius
Dude - everyone gets it. It's been well established that McQueary was in a pretty damn insane spot back in 2002 - he happens upon his Dad's friend/his good friend's father/his ex-coach/a man he likely admired for his whole life raping a 10 year old. So he understandably freaked out in the moment.

Then, for the next 6 years, he would pass by Sandusky on Penn State grounds with little kids. And did nothing to follow up. Obviously this is inexcusable.

At least he did the right thing in coming clean with the AG in 2008, though I'm also assuming the AG's office had tremendous leverage over McQueary to get that confession out of him (he knew he was taking the whole system down by giving that testimony). So I'm not sure if he gets much credit for that either.

Dude, not everyone gets it. Sandusky was banned from bringing kids on campus in, wait for it, wait for it, 2002. The first time I heard the story, it was that Sandusky whisks the child away into his office when he saw McQueary.

Now the prevailing story is that McQueary just stood there watching while Sandusky did his thing.

I'm not excusing McQueary for not going to the police, but he did bring it to JoePa, surely JoePa will know what to do.
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11-10-2011 , 08:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Tumaterminator
Management prof just ranted over joe being fired over the phone. I said he enabled child raping for over a decade. She said he had done too much good over 60 years. I went back to sleep.
plus, the safety concerns, the fact that he didn't let them tell him to resign in 2004, his comment early in the day that suggested the same fighting back, and so on. He doesn't deserve more than he got.
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11-10-2011 , 08:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Tumaterminator
Management prof just ranted over joe being fired over the phone. I said he enabled child raping for over a decade. She said he had done too much good over 60 years. I went back to sleep.
Tenure, it's a helluva thing.
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11-10-2011 , 08:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Tumaterminator
Management prof just ranted over joe being fired over the phone. I said he enabled child raping for over a decade. She said he had done too much good over 60 years. I went back to sleep.
Ask prof what the right way to cover up child rape would have been, since this way didn't work, and he's a management prof so this ought to be right up his alley. Record answer. Report back.
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11-10-2011 , 08:46 PM
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Originally Posted by ut2010
CNBCbrk: Joe Paterno has hired a prominent Washington criminal defense lawyer to represent him in the Penn State sex abuse case - NBC
Wow. Paterno to be charged soon?
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11-10-2011 , 08:47 PM
Linked here previously but deserves a second look, a good perspective on the entire ordeal from Joe Paterno's biographer.

http://joeposnanski.si.com/2011/11/1...nd-of-paterno/
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11-10-2011 , 08:49 PM
Another thing, do the ****ing wheels of justice move this goddamn slow in Pennsylvania.

AG's office has pretty much all of this info in what, 2008? 3 and 1/2 years later they are finally taking a child predator off the streets.

There's plenty of blame to go around.
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11-10-2011 , 08:50 PM
Loved the earlier article on Barry Switzer's comments

Why is Tom Bradley coaching this weekend? You cannot tell me he knew nothing. He's likely been coaching this team all along. Why is McQueary around?

Even in the aftermath, protecting Penn St football success remains the priority of the entire local culture.

Stop the games! It's the only way people will sit-up and realize.

Yeah, it sucks for the athletes on the team. That's too bad. I regret that. But, there is no way the coaching staff, university, or community deserve another game this year.

It will suck for me and my longshot bet on the Nittany Lions to win the BigTen (I posted them as my pick in the Big10 thread and would love the chance to taunt ikestoys over it). But, the issue here is putting college football back in its place. This is atrocious. End the season.


Good job by the promoters to pull out of the games on ESPN.

Pretty sure no bowl will give that program a visit.

Stop it now. Don't let them keep the football for this year at least.
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