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11-10-2011 , 07:47 PM
The Texas thing could be good a few ways:

1. Get Feds involved

2. Get him remanded so he has to start being in prison immediately

3. Some added incentive to flip if there is a larger conspiracy
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11-10-2011 , 07:47 PM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
Oh wow. That could get some more info. out, and the feds wouldn't even be afraid to indict JoePa of perjury if they had evidence.
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Originally Posted by Riverman
The Texas thing could be good a few ways:

1. Get Feds involved

2. Get him remanded so he has to start being in prison immediately

3. Some added incentive to flip if there is a larger conspiracy
Perhaps it would fall under the Mann Act?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mann_Act
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11-10-2011 , 07:49 PM
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Originally Posted by bronx bomber
I would also like to see the NCAA get involved in this. Apparently "Loss of Institutional Control" is the worst offense a school can commit. If this doesn't qualify for that then what does?
Applies to athletics and an umbrella involving recruiting and everything about the players. Thats the plus side. Everything else you know is level 10 deathstar mode though. Going to be civil charges against the University, serious internal sanctions, staff and figureheads getting canned, lower enrollment numbers, being known as Pedo U.
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11-10-2011 , 07:51 PM
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Originally Posted by bowens
Joe Posnanski has taken a great deal of flak today around the interwebz. He tries to explain it here: http://joeposnanski.si.com/2011/11/1...nd-of-paterno/
Lol Penn State has a whole class called "Paterno and the Media". Wtf?
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11-10-2011 , 07:51 PM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
Well if lester munson says it I'm sold.
you just got munsoned
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11-10-2011 , 07:52 PM
my baseless random ass guesswork of speculation right now:

1. this is clearly much bigger than one man raping children. i think the madden rumor could very well be true and this was a ring of pedophiles acting with sandusky at the center using his leverage with PSU to keep it quiet
2. there was a widespread cover-up throughout PSU extending beyond the football program to the lower levels of the administration (although this isn't really speculation, obviously, im talking about something more systematic and all-involved than what we have heard so far)
3. the charity also acted in covering up sandusky's transgressions and ignored complaints about him. if the rumors were so widespread that local HS football coaches heard them, i dont see how it's possible that the children's charity didn't hear them too
4. it's possible the charity had other people in influential positions working in cahoots with sandusky, but that's probably a bit too speculative at this point
5. the culture of shameless and unrelenting devotion to joepa and PSU football in central PA will finally be shattered. it always seemed odd and annoying, albeit harmless, before, but now it is clearly downright dangerous. it fostered this atmosphere of invulnerability in state college that let this monster run free for so many years.

again, most of this is just baseless speculation/guessing, but there's really no doubt in my mind there's a lot more facts coming out that will change our entire perspective on this now to something even more horrifying than we thought before.

also i predict DoE will drop heavy sanctions on PSU, the NCAA will sanction the football program severely under some ethics/morals clause (no idea if it exists, but i assume there's some best interest of the game type rule), and the feds will likely press charges against at least a small group of the people involved (outside of the DoE sanctions)
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11-10-2011 , 07:53 PM
Would just like to draw attention, again, to Jerry Sandusky being free on 100k bail. That is just an absurdly low number for someone accused of doing what he almost certainly did. That's like what you get for getting stopped with a bunch of pot in your car. So ridiculous.
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11-10-2011 , 07:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Aloysius
Who cares what the sister's victim thinks? Why does it influence what you think? What if every Sandusky victim didn't blame Paterno for this? It's irrelevant.

You know the facts, make up your own mind.
I was slightly leaning on the side of Paterno being ousted seems wrong and still think he should have been allowed to finish the season. I was starting to come around to thinking that firing him was right, but now think I'm flipping back. I find this strange since I kind of hated Paterno growing up and recently felt a begrudging respect for him.

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Jetto/CalledDownLight - let me use an example to illustrate my point.

Let's take a woman who is physically abused by her husband. Poor woman is messed up, thinks she deserves it. Doesn't blame him, blames herself. But on a particularly brutal beating one day, she panics and calls the cops fearing for her life. The cops show up. Take down a police report.

Later that day, the woman "comes to her senses" and realizes it's all her fault, and calls the police telling them "hey, this was my bad, I don't want to press charges let's drop the whole thing, k?"

Do you know why, Jetto/CDL, the police can no longer drop the matter? And that whatever this woman says, it won't go away?

(BTW realize this isn't a perfect analogy to Joe Paterno, largely because he's not being charged with a criminal act, but hopefully it gets my point across.)
I don't know the legal system well enough to know why they can't drop it, but I was aware that they couldn't. I also think that anyone who feels this way needs to be proactive in changing their feelings and removing themselves from the situation.

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Just a hypothetical, but would it change anyones opinion of McCreary if it turned out he was also assaulted by Sandusky? I'm not saying it happened, but just curious about what people think.
I would feel sorry for him, but it would not change my opinion of how he handled this situation. Past offenses against him would make it much more difficult for him to handle emotionally, but he still didnt fulfill his moral (and legal?) responsibility.
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11-10-2011 , 07:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Riverman
Would just like to draw attention, again, to Jerry Sandusky being free on 100k bail. That is just an absurdly low number for someone accused of doing what he almost certainly did. That's like what you get for getting stopped with a bunch of pot in your car. So ridiculous.
yea i dont know much about how judges set bail, but years of watching law and order make me think that he should have been remanded
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11-10-2011 , 07:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Karak
my baseless random ass guesswork of speculation right now:

1. this is clearly much bigger than one man raping children. i think the madden rumor could very well be true and this was a ring of pedophiles acting with sandusky at the center using his leverage with PSU to keep it quiet
2. there was a widespread cover-up throughout PSU extending beyond the football program to the lower levels of the administration (although this isn't really speculation, obviously, im talking about something more systematic and all-involved than what we have heard so far)
3. the charity also acted in covering up sandusky's transgressions and ignored complaints about him. if the rumors were so widespread that local HS football coaches heard them, i dont see how it's possible that the children's charity didn't hear them too
4. it's possible the charity had other people in influential positions working in cahoots with sandusky, but that's probably a bit too speculative at this point
5. the culture of shameless and unrelenting devotion to joepa and PSU football in central PA will finally be shattered. it always seemed odd and annoying, albeit harmless, before, but now it is clearly downright dangerous. it fostered this atmosphere of invulnerability in state college that let this monster run free for so many years.

again, most of this is just baseless speculation/guessing, but there's really no doubt in my mind there's a lot more facts coming out that will change our entire perspective on this now to something even more horrifying than we thought before.

also i predict DoE will drop heavy sanctions on PSU, the NCAA will sanction the football program heavily under some ethics/morals clause (no idea if it exists, but i assume there's some best interest of the game type rule), and the feds will likely press charges against at least a small group of the people involved (outside of the DoE sanctions)
My baseless random-ass evaluation of your speculation in order of truthiness:

5>>>>>>>>>>>>>2>>>>3>>>>>>>>>4>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>1
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11-10-2011 , 07:57 PM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
Not sure Paterno is even top 3. Dismissing the guys who are actually indicted for perjury and criminal inaction deserve higher spots on the power rankings, at least unless we find out something more about Paterno's role.
One reason Paterno is not indicted is because they don't believe that they could win the case.

Put it like this even though they may have been, in technical terms, Paterno's superior,or his boss, no one actually believes that to be the case. But technically speaking that is what keeps Paterno legally clean.

I'm just saying that it appears that Paterno initated the cover-up.
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11-10-2011 , 07:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Karak
booooom he just dropped the hammer on paterno and spanier

"I was disappointed in their actions . . . Their actions caused me to believe they did not have the ability to lead."
Move Penn State to the Legends division imo

Last edited by Dudd; 11-10-2011 at 07:58 PM. Reason: awesome names Big Ten
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11-10-2011 , 07:57 PM
Letting him out on bail = Letting him go back to his home 1000 FEET FROM AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
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11-10-2011 , 07:57 PM
Absolutely disgusting and depressing story. I am ****ing angry the way some ESPN guys (like Herbstreit) rallied around Paterno the past couple of days.

Kudos to Mark May for saying it how it is.

IMO PSU should be forfeiting the rest of the season
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11-10-2011 , 07:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Karak
lol he said nothing legally is preventing it and then went on for a minute to describe legal things that may be preventing it
didnt catch all of that lol

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Well if lester munson says it I'm sold.
dont even know who he is. is he not credible?

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Originally Posted by Riverman
Would just like to draw attention, again, to Jerry Sandusky being free on 100k bail. That is just an absurdly low number for someone accused of doing what he almost certainly did. That's like what you get for getting stopped with a bunch of pot in your car. So ridiculous.
I may be mistaken and if I am you, karak, oski, or any of the other lawyers can correct me, but isn't a large portion of bail set based on some normalized standard and whether or not someone is a flight risk?
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11-10-2011 , 07:58 PM
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Originally Posted by dstock
I'm just saying that it appears that Paterno initated the cover-up.
yea i think that's possible, but if that were the case, how has the AG not found out by now after a 2 year investigation?

then again, the same could be said for all my speculation too
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11-10-2011 , 07:58 PM
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Originally Posted by True North
I would like to see this as well, but I'd lay odds they won't. This is an organization that decided that today was a good day to announce sanctions on tOSU.
Yuuup. the NCAA might give Indiana-PA the death penalty over this!
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11-10-2011 , 08:00 PM
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Originally Posted by tschubauer
Hey, someone made an off-hand internet joke. get off your high horse
If by "someone" you mean "several people in this thread" and by "off-hand" you mean "running joke" then yeah I agree. Don't see how I'm being on a "high horse" when I've already reported it to mods and they likely aren't going to do anything about it.

Needle gonna blow a gasket over people using the phrase "nig guy" to describe someone who used the word "******" to describe a black guy, but we can call McQuery "redhead" "ginger" and "soulless" all we want.

Sounds really fair and mature of everyone.

But I am talking to the guy who drunk posted itt and was like "this isn't threadworthy" so I don't expect much of anything out of a person like you.
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11-10-2011 , 08:00 PM
are you seriously comparing ginger with the n-word
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11-10-2011 , 08:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Karak
yea i think that's possible, but if that were the case, how has the AG not found out by now after a 2 year investigation?
this is really tin-foil-hat-ish but the last attorney to look into this ended up dead in a river with his laptop hard drive destroyed
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11-10-2011 , 08:01 PM
Karak just out of curiosity whered you got high school? I'm from the area as well.
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11-10-2011 , 08:01 PM
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Originally Posted by CalledDownLight
I don't know the legal system well enough to know why they can't drop it, but I was aware that they couldn't. I also think that anyone who feels this way needs to be proactive in changing their feelings and removing themselves from the situation.
Right - so in my example above - the reason that the woman couldn't make the charges against her abusive husband go away is because once the police take a report, it's not up to her to decide. It's a matter of the law.

(You can see how this must happen a lot in cases of domestic violence - where an abused woman calls the cops, police take her abusive husband away, and she later thinks she made a mistake in getting the police involved, and tries to get them to drop the charges - she can't, and it's for her own damn good.)

My ultimate point is just because the victims think one way, that's not necessarily a great litmus test for what the "right" thing to think is.
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11-10-2011 , 08:03 PM
phb is confirmed a redhead
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11-10-2011 , 08:03 PM
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Originally Posted by CalledDownLight
dont even know who he is. is he not credible?
I have no idea who he is.
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11-10-2011 , 08:04 PM
Ok. No more soulless ginger jokes. Don't use racial or homophobic slurs.

Holy ****.
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