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11-10-2011 , 08:04 PM
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A source close to Penn St football indicated to me this afternoon it is now a virtual certainty McQueary will not coach Saturday.

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Source also said to expect an announcement to that effect as early as later today or tomorrow at the latest.
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11-10-2011 , 08:06 PM
I'm a redhead. It's not as flaming as McQueary, but it was when I was little. I think the Ginger thing is mildly offensive, but I don't think anyone on this board actually takes it seriously so it doesn't bother me.

Kick a Ginger day bothered me a lot though. That would have been extremely traumatic to have happen in school and I really feel for those kids who were harassed. Trey and Matt should have known better.
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11-10-2011 , 08:06 PM
Does anyone else agree the Big Ten should boot PSU out of the conference?
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11-10-2011 , 08:07 PM
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Originally Posted by <3_Tha_Grind
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A source close to Penn St football indicated to me this afternoon it is now a virtual certainty McQueary will not coach Saturday.
I could have tweeted that.
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11-10-2011 , 08:07 PM
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Originally Posted by tschubauer
this is really tin-foil-hat-ish but the last attorney to look into this ended up dead in a river with his laptop hard drive destroyed
I thought this too, but dared not say it. Just a really odd coincidence. BTW, does anyone know what the actual results of that case were?
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11-10-2011 , 08:09 PM
Gingers seem to be a bit sensitive.
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11-10-2011 , 08:09 PM
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Right - so in my example above - the reason that the woman couldn't make the charges against her abusive husband go away is because once the police take a report, it's not up to her to decide. It's a matter of the law.

(You can see how this must happen a lot in cases of domestic violence - where an abused woman calls the cops, police take her abusive husband away, and she later thinks she made a mistake in getting the police involved, and tries to get them to drop the charges - she can't, and it's for her own damn good.)

My ultimate point is just because the victims think one way, that's not necessarily a great litmus test for what the "right" thing to think is.
But the sister wouldn't have stockholm syndrome (is that basically what this is?) or whatever its called because she wasnt the one affected. So while its highly emotional for her (she was getting sick in class being around other student talking/joking about it) she has probably thought about it before the reporter asked the question and reached this conclusion with a clearer mind than the victim themselves.
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11-10-2011 , 08:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Needle77
Ok. No more soulless ginger jokes. Don't use racial or homophobic slurs.

Holy ****.
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Gingers seem to be a bit sensitive.
uh oh
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11-10-2011 , 08:10 PM
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Originally Posted by freedom.fries
you don't get whistle blower status for telling your boss. you have 2 go outside the organization.
Sigh. Why do people keep saying this as if they know what they're talking about?

I don't know if the whisteblower protection is why he still has a job, but it's a plausible explanation. Certainly better than who's gonna call the plays!?
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11-10-2011 , 08:10 PM
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Originally Posted by bowens
Joe Posnanski has taken a great deal of flak today around the interwebz. He tries to explain it here: http://joeposnanski.si.com/2011/11/1...nd-of-paterno/
I'd call it progress. He understands that Joe needed to be removed without knowing precisely what Joe knew and when or precisely how Joe responded-- that that removal in itself doesn't constitute a rush to judgment.

The next step for him is to figure out precisely why that it wasn't a rush to judgment to support the Board's action. After he meditates on that for awhile he might be able to catch up.
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11-10-2011 , 08:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Karak
my baseless random ass guesswork of speculation right now:

1. this is clearly much bigger than one man raping children. i think the madden rumor could very well be true and this was a ring of pedophiles acting with sandusky at the center using his leverage with PSU to keep it quiet
I think Corbett, in his presser, noted that a separate division of the AG would need to look into Second Mile. Maybe Corbett has a hunch based on 2 years of investigation. We know that (I believe this is a fact) Second Mile did know of the 1998 and 2002 incident, yet kept Sandusky on.

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2. there was a widespread cover-up throughout PSU extending beyond the football program to the lower levels of the administration (although this isn't really speculation, obviously, im talking about something more systematic and all-involved than what we have heard so far)
I think this may be what Corbett is alluding to (and the most likely thing to come out).

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3. the charity also acted in covering up sandusky's transgressions and ignored complaints about him. if the rumors were so widespread that local HS football coaches heard them, i dont see how it's possible that the children's charity didn't hear them too
See my above about Second Mile comment (that they knew at least some stuff about Sandusky from 98 and '02 and ignored it) With all the facts/hearsay out there, not sure if that's true. But I believe it may be.

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4. it's possible the charity had other people in influential positions working in cahoots with sandusky, but that's probably a bit too speculative at this point
This seems unlikely, imo. I think everything probably is around Penn State administration/staff and Second Mile administration/staff. I guess if this whole pedo-ring thing comes to light, maybe a powerful person outside of Penn State/Second Mile got involved that way, but probably not as someone pulling the strings, just got involved cause he was a pedo.

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also i predict DoE will drop heavy sanctions on PSU, the NCAA will sanction the football program severely under some ethics/morals clause (no idea if it exists, but i assume there's some best interest of the game type rule), and the feds will likely press charges against at least a small group of the people involved (outside of the DoE sanctions)
Did you see my link above about the Mann Act? I suppose this is another way the Feds could get involved if applicable (the San Antonio issue).
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11-10-2011 , 08:11 PM
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Originally Posted by bowens
Joe Posnanski has taken a great deal of flak today around the interwebz. He tries to explain it here: http://joeposnanski.si.com/2011/11/1...nd-of-paterno/
Complaining about how he was fired and ignoring Joe's idiotic press release that forced their hand makes it really hard to take much of this seriously.

Frankly- I don't care how nice somebody is or how many good things they did- when it comes out that they ignored and allowed this to continue- they're off the list of good people.
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11-10-2011 , 08:11 PM
never heard of the term ginger until south park he's a red head so what he has a soul he aint japanese dang
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11-10-2011 , 08:13 PM
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Originally Posted by CalledDownLight
I would feel sorry for him, but it would not change my opinion of how he handled this situation. Past offenses against him would make it much more difficult for him to handle emotionally, but he still didnt fulfill his moral (and legal?) responsibility.
When I was about 19 I worked in a retail store as an assistant manager. My father walked in-I had not seen or talked to him in about 5 years. He was not a good man(no sexual abuse). I was so overwhelmed at that moment I freaked out. I started sweating, breathing hard, and I bet if you measured my blood pressure at that moment it would have been through the roof. At that moment I went to the back, sat down, caught my breath, and threw some water on my face.

I'm not making excuses for McCreary, but I am telling you what happened to me when faced with something so unexpected. Just so you know, there have been 3 times in my life where I have seen what I thought were women in danger. All three times I intervened-2 of those situations did not end well.

Read this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fight-or-flight_response
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11-10-2011 , 08:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Nootka
Sigh. Why do people keep saying this as if they know what they're talking about?

I don't know if the whisteblower protection is why he still has a job, but it's a plausible explanation. Certainly better than who's gonna call the plays!?
Yeah people don't seem to get it. No one is saying he gets whistle blower status for going to Paterno in 2002. We're saying he (potentially) could get whistle blower status for telling the DA everything in 2008. Remember if he stonewalls, everyone except Sandusky is in the clear. They had to be counting on him not saying anything like Curley and Schultz.
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11-10-2011 , 08:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Dids
Complaining about how he was fired and ignoring Joe's idiotic press release that forced their hand makes it really hard to take much of this seriously.

Frankly- I don't care how nice somebody is or how many good things they did- when it comes out that they ignored and allowed this to continue- they're off the list of good people.
Agree completely on that. It's a thing folks really don't want to contemplate very deeply.

So, I'm gathering that maybe your earlier sober minded hesitancy to make assumptions/read minds and detachment on this looks a bit more like contrarianism in the rear view?
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11-10-2011 , 08:15 PM
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Does anyone else agree the Big Ten should boot PSU out of the conference?
No. I think the people involved should be persecuted and punished, but I still believe that not everyone at Penn State is involved.

Another question, what are people's thoughts on the game Saturday? Personally, I was not going to pay much attention, it being an early game and all. Now, there is no way I won't be watching, and for w/e reason, I find myself wanting Penn St. to win and I can't really explain why.
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11-10-2011 , 08:15 PM
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But the sister wouldn't have stockholm syndrome (is that basically what this is?) or whatever its called because she wasnt the one affected. So while its highly emotional for her (she was getting sick in class being around other student talking/joking about it) she has probably thought about it before the reporter asked the question and reached this conclusion with a clearer mind than the victim themselves.
First off, her brother was part of a program that catered to troubled/fatherless/etc. kids, so it's quite possible she simply comes from a messed up family. I would almost have to think so, because if my brother got raped by an official at a school and nothing ever came of it, I'm certainly not attending that school. I'd go to ATDS truck driving school before I attend a university where officials raped my brother and then did nothing. I'd certainly never send my kid to a place where her sibling was raped by a school official. I feel for the girl, but her thinking doesn't seem all that clear.
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11-10-2011 , 08:16 PM
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Originally Posted by anatta
never heard of the term ginger until south park he's a red head so what he has a soul he aint japanese dang
lol joke also made in sp
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11-10-2011 , 08:16 PM
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Yeah people don't seem to get it. No one is saying he gets whistle blower status for going to Paterno in 2002. We're saying he (potentially) could get whistle blower status for telling the DA everything in 2008. Remember if he stonewalls, everyone except Sandusky is in the clear. They had to be counting on him not saying anything like Curley and Schultz.
And considering how personally damaging the testimony McQueary gave to the AG in 2008 is, it only makes sense he was afforded some protection from the AG to take the testimony.
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11-10-2011 , 08:18 PM
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No. I think the people involved should be persecuted and punished, but I still believe that not everyone at Penn State is involved.

Another question, what are people's thoughts on the game Saturday? Personally, I was not going to pay much attention, it being an early game and all. Now, there is no way I won't be watching, and for w/e reason, I find myself wanting Penn St. to win and I can't really explain why.
So that when Penn St. goes to the Rose Bowl and receives all the money from that appearance they are able to give more money to all the victims when all the lawsuits start pouring in.
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11-10-2011 , 08:18 PM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
Yeah people don't seem to get it. No one is saying he gets whistle blower status for going to Paterno in 2002. We're saying he (potentially) could get whistle blower status for telling the DA everything in 2008. Remember if he stonewalls, everyone except Sandusky is in the clear. They had to be counting on him not saying anything like Curley and Schultz.
Under PA law, whistleblowing can be based on reporting to the government or to your employer. He's protected for both acts.
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11-10-2011 , 08:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Dids
Complaining about how he was fired and ignoring Joe's idiotic press release that forced their hand makes it really hard to take much of this seriously.

Frankly- I don't care how nice somebody is or how many good things they did- when it comes out that they ignored and allowed this to continue- they're off the list of good people.
If Pos can somehow dance the line between supporting JoePa and condemning him, it could lead to JoePa coming clean with juicy details for the book. Personally I am fine with this. There are enough people coming down on JoePa, it's not like people are looking to Pos for guidance.
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11-10-2011 , 08:19 PM
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First off, her brother was part of a program that catered to troubled/fatherless/etc. kids, so it's quite possible she simply comes from a messed up family. I would almost have to think so, because if my brother got raped by an official at a school and nothing ever came of it, I'm certainly not attending that school. I'd go to ATDS truck driving school before I attend a university where officials raped my brother and then did nothing. I'd certainly never send my kid to a place where her sibling was raped by a school official. I feel for the girl, but her thinking doesn't seem all that clear.
Maybe she had made her decision before the kid came forward. If no one told the cops before 2008, what are the odds family members knew and didn't go to the cops? Probably low (although obviously non-zero, especially in Happy Valley). So maybe the investigation in 2009 or 2010 or something is where that kid came forward and told his story.

Just a possibility.
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11-10-2011 , 08:21 PM
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Originally Posted by CalledDownLight
I was slightly leaning on the side of Paterno being ousted seems wrong and still think he should have been allowed to finish the season. I was starting to come around to thinking that firing him was right, but now think I'm flipping back. I find this strange since I kind of hated Paterno growing up and recently felt a begrudging respect for him.
They tell him not to go to the press while they consider their options so he goes to the press to campaign for his job.
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