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If you had said fighters aren't paid enough I'd agree. Saying it's not popular enough is a pretty lolamerican thing to say. I would guess this ufc was watched by about as many fans as all of this weeks nfl games combined.

the record for a ufc event is 100 with 1.6 million buys. ufc 152 had 450,000 buys.

14 million people watched monday night football last week.

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10-15-2012 , 08:10 AM

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^^ I know it still doesn't compare but it's worth pointing out that a "buy" is probably on average something like 2-5 people so the amount of viewers will be quite a bit higher than the number of buys.

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10-15-2012 , 10:36 AM

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the record for a ufc event is 100 with 1.6 million buys. ufc 152 had 450,000 buys.

14 million people watched monday night football last week.

The last Silva fight had around 20 million viewers in Brasil alone.

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10-15-2012 , 11:36 AM

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How much do you think a Brazillian viewer is worth compared to an American viewer?

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10-15-2012 , 01:35 PM

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How much do you think a Brazillian viewer is worth compared to an American viewer?

I don't really know or care. I've acknowledged that the nfl brings in much higher revenue. That's not what popular means. More people watched this fight than any football game this weekend and significantly more people across the world participate in mma. The idea that mma isn't "popular" enough to be in the conversation for the best athlete in the world is pretty much the definition of lolamerica.

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10-15-2012 , 01:41 PM

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The last Silva fight had around 20 million viewers in Brasil alone.

where the hell did you get this #?

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10-15-2012 , 01:55 PM

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Notwithstanding that this isn't true, it isn't relevant anyway.

99% of athletes still go into other sports, so it's not reasonable to compare the elite of MMA against the elite of other sports and come to the conclusion that Anderson is the greatest athlete.

Anderson could be the greatest athlete, but the numbers mean it's ridiculously unlikely and therefore the argument doesn't hold any water.

I'm also not American and feel quite violated by the insinuation.

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10-15-2012 , 02:02 PM

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No. Ask Freddy Roach. He could do well though.

I'm interested in any opinion there is on JDS v good boxers. I know he said he could take on Klitschkos with enough training, although probably somewhat in jest, but I would pay a ****load of money to see him vs someone like David Haye or equivalent.

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10-15-2012 , 02:15 PM

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MMA 101

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10-15-2012 , 03:02 PM

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Sorry I got mixed up and thought you were suggesting the UFC brings in more money than the NFL.

The whole greatest athlete debate is pretty silly anyway imo. It's pretty much impossible to compare athletes from different sports. Who's to say who's better between say a fighter, a football player, a sprinter and a weightlifter? (Although that's just given me an idea for an awesome new multi-discipline sport)

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10-15-2012 , 03:16 PM

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Couldn't be as awesome as chessboxing.

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10-15-2012 , 03:21 PM

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The last Silva fight had around 20 million viewers in Brasil alone.

mnf is one game. 100 million people in the us claim to watch the nfl regularly. a couple million outside of the us do too.

i'm pretty sure that 100 million+ people did not watch ufc 153. if they did then the ufc is awful at generating profit from their audience.

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10-15-2012 , 03:22 PM

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which athlete is more dominate and entertaining then silva? id rather watch a silva fight then tiger woods, lebron, ronaldo or anyone else

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10-15-2012 , 03:25 PM

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Well now you're just playing with the word 'greatest' which admittedly has to be defined before debate.

That said, you probably just like MMA more than all those other sports.

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10-15-2012 , 03:40 PM

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I think theres a legit argument for Anderson as GOAT simply because against weaker opponents he can play into his opponents' gameplan(putting his back up against fence versus Bonnar) and still succeed. That'd be a like the best passing NFL team of all time coming out against a team with a good run defense and running the ball on the majority of plays just to prove a point.

Obviously all of this is incredibly subjective though.

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10-15-2012 , 04:28 PM

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hard to compare the tiers of fball teams to mma fighters tho. i mean yea the packers could stick their third string running back in and run 3 to 1 run plays instead of 3 to 1 pass plays and still beat the jags pretty handily

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10-15-2012 , 06:22 PM

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yea, these analogies are just gonna get silly.

Overall point is that Anderson has been as dominant as one can be in a sport during his time in the UFC. Unless you want to outright say "MMA isn't popular enough, so we are going to automatically exclude any MMA fighters from GOAT athlete discussion" then I think he deserves strong consideration.

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10-15-2012 , 06:32 PM

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I think you have to consider Silva as a potential GOAT athlete by simple virtue of the fact he is still dominating at 37, and he's still dominating at 37 by virtue of being way quicker than everyone else. A 37 year old should not be able to do that.

I wouldn't rank him as #1 overall or anything but you have to at least take someone like that into consideration. If he was dominating at like 33 (only kinda old) or dominating by being way bigger than everyone else I think you could dismiss him. But the way he dominates, and at his age, is just insane.

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10-15-2012 , 07:56 PM

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Well now you're just playing with the word 'greatest' which admittedly has to be defined before debate.

That said, you probably just like MMA more than all those other sports.

my favorite sports are soccer and hockey i usually find mma boring like watching fitch but anderson silva is entertaining and unbelievable cause no one comes close to doing what he does i believe he is top athlete. like in basketball lebron kobe theres lots of people who are good and in every sport the top guys are close to eachotehr but mma anderson silva is above everyone

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10-15-2012 , 08:05 PM

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yea, these analogies are just gonna get silly.

Overall point is that Anderson has been as dominant as one can be in a sport during his time in the UFC. Unless you want to outright say "MMA isn't popular enough, so we are going to automatically exclude any MMA fighters from GOAT athlete discussion" then I think he deserves strong consideration.

even if we limit it to just combat sports that isn't close to true.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleksandr_Karelin

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10-16-2012 , 12:37 AM

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Silva certainly deserves his accolades for his achievements including the way in which he has achieved them. At this time he has to be considered to be one of the top elite combat sport fighters. Objectively, he may not have the overall striking to cross over into pro boxing, but how many pro boxers would want to cross over into his MMA octagon and square off with him either?

To call him the "greatest athlete" is a bit absurd and a disservice to many other top athletes in other sports.

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10-16-2012 , 08:02 AM

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Silva is the greatest MMA fighter of all time and therefore deserves to be mentioned with the other GOATs, simple stuff.

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10-16-2012 , 04:28 PM

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Chael Sonnen and Jon Jones to coach next TUF "Ultimate Fighter". Chael won't fight Forrest Griffin on 1/27, but will square off with JJ on 4/27/13. Let the games begin.

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10-16-2012 , 04:49 PM

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even if we limit it to just combat sports that isn't close to true.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleksandr_Karelin

level of competition though. Anderson is doing this during the boom era of MMA, so hes going against great great athletes. Also it looks like Karelin was a SHW, so he wasn't able to go up in weightclass and beat bigger men like Anderson has done.

I suppose I haven't seen any of his matches....did he regularly clown opponents the way Anderson has?

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10-16-2012 , 05:33 PM

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Chael Sonnen and Jon Jones to coach next TUF "Ultimate Fighter". Chael won't fight Forrest Griffin on 1/27, but will square off with JJ on 4/27/13. Let the games begin.

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I'm excited to see them fight, and a season of Chael on TUF will be great (why hasn't he done it before? seems the most obvious choice of any fighter), but I hope JJ grows some sort of personality over the next few months. I find his interviews etc sinfully boring.

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