GSP chrew Shields in da riber.

this would be all kinds of awful.

perhaps if split decisions were declared draws it would be sensical, as those are often very close.

But some fighters just have amazing chins, this shouldn't make them unbeatable.

If you're jaded after last night's fights, then maybe you shouldn't even bother with MMA anymore. Machida had one of the most spectacular KOs of all time and the Aldo-Hominick fight was amazing.

No, I am not advocating UFC 1 style fighting. I am just saying that the rules are the rules and they are pretty good right now, could be improved yes, and GSP is unreal and playing by these rules. I don't want rules that limit stylistic differences between fights to the point where it is bum fights. I enjoy watching the best and can still through relatively short fights watching a guy who is the best at his style.

That would lead to an increase in boring ass draws. I think it would help if MMA was not scored like a boxing match.

GSP learned from his mistakes and is a better fighter because of it. He essentially refuses to play to the strong suit of his opponent unless he knows he can own him in it. There is always great execution of a quality plan when GSP fights.

I get that you hate GSP, but don't tard up MMA because no one can knock him out anymore.

huh? it would obv lead to more exciting fights because it would cause fighters to try much harder to finish fights. it would probably lead to many more draws but overall those draws would be way more entertaining than say every single gsp fight from the last few years.
well as long as we're going to be dicks here it seems to me that you like seeing successful fighters that you root for getting a w on their record and not actually watching fights. apparently i'm a fan of mma, and you're a fan of anybody who is really successful

I don't think the outcome is going to be people just slugging it out in the last 30 seconds. Which I think would be kind of dumb and would really mess the the strategy. I am not sure how they would end up being able to gimmick those rules, but I doubt it would be more entertaining.

I am a fan of fighters for a lot of random reasons. You're probably more of an MMA fan than me though. If you've been watching for 15 years than there is no way I come close. But your opinion of what the sport should be is closer to bum fights than it is to what MMA is right now.

I don't think you appreciate how the current rules sway the game in favor of wrestlers. No knees/kicks to a downed opponent allow fighters to shoot in with impunity and the cage also favor wrestlers attempting a takedown.

tbf no knees to the head of a grounded opponent also hurts wrestlers as do referee standups. the cage is a huge advantage for wrestlers though and not just for attempting takedowns. once you get a guy down and mash him into the cage it becomes very hard for him to sweep or submit you.

that reminds of something else to ask everybody who just wants to watch the best in the world regardless of how boring they are:

referee standups are clearly there just for entertainment's sake and are obviously a disadvantage to the better fighter. you guys are in favor of removing them right?

Besides Silva, this is the only GSP fight that interests me at all. Diaz will push the fight with his improved striking. GSP will be able to take him down at will but then get put in a spot of having to deal with 5 rounds of defending sub attempts.

As the sport progresses and technique and strategy become more and more vital, shouldn't we expect this to happen? I mean, I know Dana encourages taking risks by giving out bonuses and rewarding "exciting fighters" with better opportunities, but that can't be more important than winning, right? When NBA teams get a big lead and take the full 24 seconds on each shot clock, do people complain that they are playing a "boring" game? Or what about when NFL teams get a big lead and then just run the clock down with an extremely boring short yardage rushing attack? These strategies, while boring to watch, legitimize the sport. If fighters fight suboptimally in order to appease fans then it will hurt the sport in the long run imo.

edit to add: However, I do see the difference between free tv and PPV...when people pay to see the sport, they feel more entitled to a good show. I can understand that to a degree.

the nfl and nba have tons of rules that exist to create more exciting games while putting the better team at a disadvantage.

the main difference is that mma has been around in it's current form for about 20 years while football and basketball are both over 100 years old. both sports have had many many rule changes throughout the years that made them the sports they are today.

i just don't understand why people think the current system has to be the best option. i bet lots of people back in the day thought the forward pass was gonna be the end of football but here we are.

edit: maybe at the end of a tie game the nfl could try awarding victory to the team that gained more yards instead of going to overtime

really surprises me to hear this. I've only watched the sport seriously for about a year. I would've imagined that most people would start out loving big KOs and crazy fights where both guys just swing, but as their knowledge of the sport grows they start to appreciate great tactical maneuvers or great execution of strategies where a guy completely avoids being in danger for an entire 5 rounds.

+1

I understand why this makes for a worse viewing experience, but shouldn't we be praising GSP for fighting so smart? Its like when Jason Williams went from a wild and crazy point guard to a guy who led the league in assist-to-turnover ratio...made for much less exciting games and far fewer highlights, but it was clearly the right thing for him to do.

WE GET IT PHILDO
15 YEARS
YOU'VE SEEN A LOT OF FIGHTS!

look i'm not trying to claim that i'm a better fan than anyone else. but every time i offer suggestions that i think could improve the sport i get dumped on by every goddamn mma fan on the internet about how i'm "not a real fan" and it kinda pisses me off. i didn't start trolling about the real fan **** until case closed said i should be watching bumfights instead because he doesn't happen to agree with my opinion of gsp. that's ****ing ridiculous.

i guess true mma fans just accept the status quo and try not to think about ways to make it better

edit: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/46...-sport-910396/

god just look at all the terrible fans itt. how dare they try to think of ways to improve a sport they like

Blame his opponents, not GSP. He has a lot more to lose than them so they're the ones who should be going for broke and thus making a more exciting fight instead of standing there and taking a pounding.

someone has disparaged a french canadian itt! this is almost as big a crime as saying mean things about victor/tut/other popular skypers

flying rat to the rescue!

lol @ you

Yeah they did. Lol at toronto sports fans and I've gone to everything possible since moving here. Yeah there was a ton of people there and it got loud during the hominick 5th round and the macdonald-diaz fight but otherwise it was a pretty big joke of a crowd. Once the fights started everyone just sat down and sat on their hands. Mtl and from what I have heard any event in vegas would put that place to shame.

I guess you will get casual fans with a 55k crowd but I dunno what the problem with "fans" in this city not being able to stand up and keep a simple chant going for more than 15 seconds. I live down the street from acc and rogers centre but I won't attend another event here unless it was something like gsp v silva (which would be dumb to put here since they will sell it out with an average card). Its vegas or mtl events for me from now on.

sick comeback bro

maybe next time you can go with "i know you are but what am i"

I've done Bell Centre in Montreal, Mandalay in Vegas and Rogers. Montreal was def the loudest, Vegas the quietest. The 1993 World Series was definitely louder than last night.

Phillip, I'm not interested in getting in a "comeback" contest with a 35 year old loser on the internet.

Like Phildo said, you can't hold both sports to the same standard right now. If every fight was like GSP-Shields the sport would die off very quickly. That's why in MMA to make big money you need to be both a great fighter and a big draw. Maybe at some point in the future it will be simply about winning like the NBA/NFL/MLB, but it's not at that point yet. And it would likely take some rule changes for it to get to that point.

rat, your last account had 20,000 posts in 3 years

and can i ask how much time beyond that you spent on skype

Phillip, I'm not sure what this has to do with anything. Can you make posts on topic? This is a MMA thread, not the lame personal attacks thread.

GSP looked horrible. And I'm not referring to his busted up eye either. WTF was he thinking?