Phil's obsession with Skype continues. Just join the chat, you've been invited.

Also, looks like Aldo/Mendes is set. Aldo gonna crush Mendes

I feel like I'm watching a fight at a cotillion. (Phildo and Rat, not GSP and Jake)

you tell me; you're the one calling people losers on the internet

There's way too much GSP hate on the interwebs today. Jake Shields deserves most of the blame for that crapfest anyways.

that's because your idea of making all fights that go the distance draws is worth dumping on.

I've suggesting using fightmetric rather than US MMA judging for decisions, which would be much better than the status quo of horrible MMA judging. So not all mma fans are perfectly content with the current state of the sport.

GSP has won 35 rounds in a row.

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two of the judges scored the shields fight 48-47. you may disagree but that's not true.

phildo,

half your arguments in this thread are lame strawmen.

GSP is awesome. I care about seeing the best. He is the best. Even half-blind he dominated a top 5 WW and was never in any real danger. He's beaten Fitch, and Alves, and Hughes twice, and Koscheck twice, and Hardy, and Shields, and Serra, and etc etc etc. I enjoy his dominance.

That's not the only thing I enjoy in MMA. Spinning backfist knock-dead KOs are awesome too, and make me jump out of my chair. Excitement is awesome and great. But so is watching the best. Luckily, we get 10-11 fights per card so we can have some of both.

you either don't know what a strawman is or you are confusing my actual arguments with me trolling case closed because he was being a douchebag ("hurrr go watch bum fights you aren't a real fan").

basically all my legit arguments are "i don't like watching gsp fight. i find him insanely boring. i think the sport of mma could be improved to prevent dominant fighters from having insanely boring fight after insanely boring fight." that is obv not a strawman.

edit: danny, aren't you on record as saying that ufc should eliminate referee standups?

Dr. Phildo,

Who is your favorite fighter?

probably bones right now. insanely dominant and entertaining which must be some kind of paradox according to this thread

does anyone else find it ironic that the big NL baseball fan finds GSP boring?

fwiw i would prefer having the dh in the nl. hate hate hate watching pitcher's hit and also it occasionally screws timmy out of pitching deeper in games.

I think the problem is that while it is still enjoyable to watch, say, Floyd Mayweather dominate another great striker while not taking any chances, it isn't that entertaining for many people (myself included) to watch GSP dominate a terrible striker without taking any chances. I like watching the best perform their craft, but it isn't that interesting when their opponent is legitimately awful at the only area where the fight is contested and they still aren't aggressive.

Why didn't Shields throw every punch in the book to the side of GSP's face that was broken?

Why didn't GSP follow up any of his overhand rights with anything at all?

Did both of those guys forget how to throw combinations?

Oh, and the "he doesn't try to finish!" argument is so brutal. Dude finished Penn, almost broke Hardy's arm, did break Koscheck's face... if the other fighter isn't going down/tapping, not much you can do.

Was kinda lol seeing people leave the arena before the last round even started. I wasn't booing the main event, but it was anti-climactic after a bunch of fun fights.

tbf he hasn't fought nearly the competition that gsp has and will prob never go into the ring at 205 w/o a huge physical edge on his opponent.

overall sure but shogun is prob p4p better than anyone gsp has fought in years and jones just crushed him.

Generally yes, but he looked rusty as all hell coming off surgery vs JJ. I wouldn't assume he was better than BJ, Hughes, Fitch or Shields at the times they faces GSP

I'm not on either side in this debate so I think I'm somewhat objective, and your post comes across as incredibly biased to me. IIRC this is what started the debate:



Considering that this was on the night of a GSP fight, you knew there'd be plenty of GSP fans in this thread. Therefore, sarcastically making a comment like above does NOT at all come across as someone trying to make "a suggestion" like you claim. Imo you got jumped on by GSP fans because you trolled them by posting that comment.

Tbh, reading through the debate again, it seems like you guys should just drop it because it reads like one of those debates where neither side is even listening to the other and both are just yelling their own opinions as loud as they can....waste of time imo. At the very least, both sides should wait til they are thinking more objectively and then revisit the debate later on. I think both sides have valid points, but they are being ignored for silly trolling and name calling.



edited to add: If you are upset at the reaction of some posters, then only respond to those who give you proper respect. I thought my posts(#1934, #1936, #1937) were fairly thought out and reasonable....why not ignore the petty name calling contest with The Rat and just respond to posts like that if you want to have a legit and honest discussion?

Trolling or strawmanning, it was lame when you got into a pissing contest about people calling you 'not a real mma fan', which I don't see that anyone ever actually said, but you were furious about.

I think standups should be eliminated. Guard is not a neutral position in MMA, it is an advantageous position for the fighter on top. If you don't want to be laynprayed, then learn to wrestle imo. The concept of rounds already penalizes grapplers.

I can't force you to enjoy it. But you can't force me to hate it. I will watch GSP whenever he fights a top opponent because I want to see the best do what they do.

And if every NFL team was between two defensive-minded teams who tried to get an early lead and run the clock out then the NFL wouldn't be nearly as popular. So I'm still not understanding why anything you say above makes MMA different than NFL.


GSP seems to be doing fine by winning by fighting "boring" fights. Imo winning will get you the big pay days no matter how you win.


Ok, so it sounds like you agree with me, but you think that it may take a while before the sport is evolved enough to get to that point. My question is why do you necessarily conclude that "its not at that point yet"? Unless you actually give it a try and don't "penalize" boring fighters, how will you ever know if its reached that point? And isn't the fact that GSP continues to sell well despite fighting "boring" fights an indication that we may indeed be reaching that point?

You're totally a real fan, but you might also enjoy bum fights.

I'm just not sure this is an accurate way to describe a pure striking match between GSP and Jake Shields.

Only really issue I had with GSP was it seemed after that first wild overhand right that seemed to stun Jake he backed away hopping up and down like it didn't land. I have to re-watch it because I didn't see it clearly, but it just seemed like the time he really could/should have turned it on with follow up strikes.

shields just as much at fault as gsp, i mean jesus christ, couldn't someone have conveyed to him "YO bro, you're down 4-0 and your opponent can't see out of his left eye, GL"

instead he just stood there and did his stiff, passive standup