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10-10-2011 , 11:26 PM
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Originally Posted by MrFeelNothin
I've seen this come up before when he passed them over, but all 3 have poor stats in shootouts:
St. Louis- 6-29 career
Stamkos- 4-21
Lecavalier- 12-48

League average is around 33%, so they're not that far off, but they also aren't lighting it up.

Small samples, sure, but sometimes great scorers just aren't good at shootouts. Gaborik is another I can think of.
OV is another.
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10-11-2011 , 12:08 AM
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Originally Posted by gusmahler
Lol I remember a Redskins game from the 80s when the punter got injured and Joe Thiesmann punted. It went 1 yard.
I was checking his stats to see if I remembered this correctly when I came across his rookie season stats--he was the 'Skins punt returner back then. Won't see a team do that these days!
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10-11-2011 , 03:31 AM
Lovie Smith challenging a spot late in the 1 quarter replay showing clearly short leaving himself with no challenges for the game and no timeouts for 1 quarter. Harbaugh is still the nuts for this season Lovie has to get honarable mention.
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10-11-2011 , 04:15 AM
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Originally Posted by MrFeelNothin
I've seen this come up before when he passed them over, but all 3 have poor stats in shootouts:
St. Louis- 6-29 career
Stamkos- 4-21
Lecavalier- 12-48

League average is around 33%, so they're not that far off, but they also aren't lighting it up.

Small samples, sure, but sometimes great scorers just aren't good at shootouts. Gaborik is another I can think of.
This is fair, but the Thompson and Moore selections are still lol-worthy. This was a classic Guy Boucher higher level thinking decision - "they both played in Florida, they might've seen something in practice when Vokoun was there!" Except he forgot Thompson is a total plug and Moore ain't that far behind.

Boucher overthinks things way too often.
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10-11-2011 , 04:15 AM
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Originally Posted by maulaga58
Lovie Smith challenging a spot late in the 1 quarter replay showing clearly short leaving himself with no challenges for the game and no timeouts for 1 quarter. Harbaugh is still the nuts for this season Lovie has to get honarable mention.
This is confirmed AIDS-bad.
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10-11-2011 , 06:58 AM
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Originally Posted by dkgojackets
that when they try it goes into the endzone approximately 85% of the time so theres not much room for another guy to be worse

if someones max is 40 yards then its impossible for them to kick a tb.
itt we completely disregard the fact that a ball bounces
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10-11-2011 , 07:10 AM
this whole short punting discussion is kind of hilarious, just have your running back line up in a wildcat formation and drill it downfield towards the sideline somewhere near the 10. huge margin for error. heck, you could even run it as an option play!
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10-11-2011 , 09:09 AM
Just throw an intentional pick around the 5 yard line and have 2WR get to that point and tackle. Defenders with INT incentives in their contract are not gonna let the ball drop on purpose.
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10-11-2011 , 09:37 AM
Intentional interception is honestly a great idea
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10-11-2011 , 09:47 AM
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Originally Posted by MrFeelNothin
I wasn't watching the game, but what would cause Chicago to go for it on 4th and 1 from Detroit 26 with the score 0-0, and then kick a FG on 4th and 1 also from the 26 when down 0-7?

The first try can't have been a short 1 yard, since they didn't sneak it. Recency bias ftw?
You can call it recency bias, or you can call it re-evaluating your EV on the basis of new information. Lovie might have thought "ok I think we can convert 1 yard about 75% of the time" on the first try. Then, after watching his Oline get caved in 2-3 more times, he may have re-evaluated and said "ok, we can make this like 25% of the time" and adjusted his decision. I actually thought it was a pretty decent decision on his part (in fact, given their record on converting in such situations, the worst decision may have been going for the first one at all).

This was nowhere near as bad as his challenge of the spot leaving himself no timeouts.
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10-11-2011 , 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by THAKID
Intentional interception is honestly a great idea
Just make sure your receivers dont try to catch the ball, also tackle instantly
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10-11-2011 , 02:17 PM
Here's one for you. In the NL Playoffs Game 5 Arizona at Milwaukee.

Arizona ties the gamein the top of the 9th 2-2 on safety squeeze and everyone was safe putting runners on first and second with nobody out. The #2 batter in the order is up and rather than bunting over the runners to second and third they swing away and make an out without advancing the runners. Next batter hits fly ball that didn't advance runners and the final batter I believe struck out.

Why didn't they bunt the men over to second and third and have one out. At worst they walk the #3 batter in the lineup to set up a double play and then have to face the clean up hitter.

Arizona lost the game in 10.

This to me was obviously stupid.
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10-11-2011 , 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by OU812
Here's one for you. In the NL Playoffs Game 5 Arizona at Milwaukee.

Arizona ties the gamein the top of the 9th 2-2 on safety squeeze and everyone was safe putting runners on first and second with nobody out. The #2 batter in the order is up and rather than bunting over the runners to second and third they swing away and make an out without advancing the runners. Next batter hits fly ball that didn't advance runners and the final batter I believe struck out.

Why didn't they bunt the men over to second and third and have one out. At worst they walk the #3 batter in the lineup to set up a double play and then have to face the clean up hitter.

Arizona lost the game in 10.

This to me was obviously stupid.
if it was tied in the bottom then yeah but otherwise its almost always better not to play for a single run. bunting is far form a foolproof plan.
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10-11-2011 , 02:31 PM
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Originally Posted by OU812
Here's one for you. In the NL Playoffs Game 5 Arizona at Milwaukee.

Arizona ties the gamein the top of the 9th 2-2 on safety squeeze and everyone was safe putting runners on first and second with nobody out. The #2 batter in the order is up and rather than bunting over the runners to second and third they swing away and make an out without advancing the runners. Next batter hits fly ball that didn't advance runners and the final batter I believe struck out.

Why didn't they bunt the men over to second and third and have one out. At worst they walk the #3 batter in the lineup to set up a double play and then have to face the clean up hitter.

Arizona lost the game in 10.

This to me was obviously stupid.
take the bat out of BY FAR your best hitter's hands? sounds like a phenomenal idea.
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10-11-2011 , 02:34 PM
Mack: We’re playing the Yankees. No one out. Scales is on first, great speed. Lou’s up. 2-1 count. Abbott’s on the mound, lefty. Lonnie’s on deck, and remember he’s a switch hitter. What do you do?
Billy: What’s the score?
Mack: Tie game.
Billy: What inning? Home or away?
Mack: 8th. Home.
Billy: Who’s catching? Who’s rested in the bullpen? Who’s up in the 9th for the Yankees?
Mack: Stanley. Everyone. 7-8-9.
Billy: Okay. I let Lou hit away. With Mattingly holding Scales, he’s got that big hole to hit through.
Mack: No. See, that’s what I’m talking about. You got lefty against lefty. Lou’s a good bunter. You only need one run, so you sacrifice the go-ahead run to 2nd with only one out.
Billy: No. You sacrifice him to second, they walk Lonnie and bring in Steve Farr to pitch to Spencer. So you’ve taken the bat out of two best hitters, our 3 and 4 men. And you’ve got Spencer, a righty with no speed against Farr and his palm ball. Which means…
Mack: Double play. (a pause) You could pitch hit for Spencer.
Billy: Now you’ve taken the bat out of our 3, 4, and 5 hitters. Not exactly a great trip through the heart of our order.
General Manager Arthur Goslin: Any questions, Mack?
Mack: Yeah. What’s he need me for?
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10-11-2011 , 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by nutshot2
Mack: We’re playing the Yankees. No one out. Scales is on first, great speed. Lou’s up. 2-1 count. Abbott’s on the mound, lefty. Lonnie’s on deck, and remember he’s a switch hitter. What do you do?
Billy: What’s the score?
Mack: Tie game.
Billy: What inning? Home or away?
Mack: 8th. Home.
Billy: Who’s catching? Who’s rested in the bullpen? Who’s up in the 9th for the Yankees?
Mack: Stanley. Everyone. 7-8-9.
Billy: Okay. I let Lou hit away. With Mattingly holding Scales, he’s got that big hole to hit through.
Mack: No. See, that’s what I’m talking about. You got lefty against lefty. Lou’s a good bunter. You only need one run, so you sacrifice the go-ahead run to 2nd with only one out.
Billy: No. You sacrifice him to second, they walk Lonnie and bring in Steve Farr to pitch to Spencer. So you’ve taken the bat out of two best hitters, our 3 and 4 men. And you’ve got Spencer, a righty with no speed against Farr and his palm ball. Which means…
Mack: Double play. (a pause) You could pitch hit for Spencer.
Billy: Now you’ve taken the bat out of our 3, 4, and 5 hitters. Not exactly a great trip through the heart of our order.
General Manager Arthur Goslin: Any questions, Mack?
Mack: Yeah. What’s he need me for?
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10-11-2011 , 03:06 PM
What is that from?
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10-11-2011 , 03:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Tyler Durden
What is that from?
movie "little big league" from the early 90s. 12 y/o kid manages twins for a season. Griffey Jr and Randy Johnson make appearance
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10-11-2011 , 04:12 PM
Wow when was that movie made ?

96?

Pioneer writers ?
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10-11-2011 , 04:30 PM
Zook was asked about the conversion attempt, and his response was certainly honest, because it's never the type of response you'd want to make up: according to the Chicago Sun-Times, Zook plain lost track of the score.

"We were down five, right? Up five, I mean," Zook said. "It was 20-13? Up seven? Maybe I didn’t know what the score was. That’s happened to me before. It’s usually when we’re behind. [This will] give you something to pound us about.’’

http://eye-on-collegefootball.blogs....56338/32643655
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10-11-2011 , 04:40 PM
That's amazing. Ron Zook for president.
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10-11-2011 , 04:48 PM
Awesome.
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10-11-2011 , 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by TheNoodleMan
Illinois scors to go up 20-13 on Indiana... Zook goes for 2.

I know its not that awful, but I really look forward to his post game explanation.
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Originally Posted by AngerPush
maybe, just maybe he thought they could make it with more than 50% probability.
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Originally Posted by TheNoodleMan
Then maybe he should be doing it more than 1 time out of 5.
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Originally Posted by natediggity
I'd be interested to see the math for this. It's probably not bad at all.
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Originally Posted by TheNoodleMan
Its not that I think it was bad, I just think there is a strong possibility that Zook did it for questionable score based reasons.
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Originally Posted by AngerPush
I meant for that specific try. And maybe later he adjusted his % chance of making it down after missing it. Or maybe, yeah, he was trying to be up 9 to make it two possessions because he figured he had a better chance of getting it on offense then their defense did of stopping a 2pc.

That's really what it comes down to.

Maybe he was so conf that they would win the game that the .01% chance this costs his team the game is worth it for the "game-time practice" or some such.

Would you have posted this, honestly, if they converted?
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Originally Posted by TheNoodleMan
yes
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Originally Posted by gusmahler
The explanation is simple. 9 points is 2 scores, while 8 is only 1. Not saying this is a good explanation, though.

Doing it with 7 minutes left in the second quarter is odd, though I suppose he can chalk it up to in-game practice.
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Originally Posted by waldo027
Zook was asked about the conversion attempt, and his response was certainly honest, because it's never the type of response you'd want to make up: according to the Chicago Sun-Times, Zook plain lost track of the score.

"We were down five, right? Up five, I mean," Zook said. "It was 20-13? Up seven? Maybe I didn’t know what the score was. That’s happened to me before. It’s usually when we’re behind. [This will] give you something to pound us about.’’

http://eye-on-collegefootball.blogs....56338/32643655

Bam!

I knew it!
LOL at anyone who thought Zook had a plan.
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10-11-2011 , 05:24 PM
RE: Punter discussion

The Saskatchewan Roughriders (lolCanada) had a rugby guy do their punting. He would break left or right once he got the snap, and if he had a lane he would take it and if he didn't he would kick it while running.

I don't like the idea of having him as my full time punter, but some of these rugby players are pretty good athletes, so they can help on special teams (kick coverage), and when needed, they could try to pick up a first down as a punter.
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10-11-2011 , 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Golden_Rhino
RE: Punter discussion

The Saskatchewan Roughriders (lolCanada) had a rugby guy do their punting. He would break left or right once he got the snap, and if he had a lane he would take it and if he didn't he would kick it while running.

I don't like the idea of having him as my full time punter, but some of these rugby players are pretty good athletes, so they can help on special teams (kick coverage), and when needed, they could try to pick up a first down as a punter.
There was very loose talk some years ago of NFL teams interested in trialling the NZ Rugby first five (combo place kicker/punter/quarterback) Daniel Carter at some stage due to his athleticism, ability to kick on the run and possibility of dual punt/place kick coverage. Nothing ever came of it because he was too well paid in NZ to take the risk, but there were certainly people vaguely interested in this skill set.
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