Michigan fans have commiserated for years that Beilein is hurt in recruiting by being clean.
John Beilein Voted Cleanest Coach By His Peers

I think it's plausible, because he has coached up a lot of 3*/4* types to the NBA but the 5* recruits likely to get money out of high school still tend to show almost no interest.

Have you actually done this research that you aren't sharing or are you totally full of **** right now?

This article says that an anonymous player (thought to be Nassir Little) was offered $150k.

https://www.azdesertswarm.com/basket...ook-richardson

Nike's Elite Youth Basketball League just got served a subpoena

Yeah that's my point. Ncaa is incompetent as **** as will not take down one of their money makers (Duke KU UK UNC) unless they absolutely have too. They know violations are there. They probably have proof of them. The schools have probably paid more than we can comprehend to keep it quite. There's no way the NCAA isn't in on this in some capacity

I highly doubt the NCAA is involved in the way you describe. The NCAA of course is aware that the marquee programs break the rules. But it isn't sitting on secret evidence, or accepting kickbacks from marquee programs or shoe companies. It would be more accurate to say that the NCAA consciously avoids digging for evidence of misconduct by the elite programs because there is no upside to finding such evidence. If the NCAA investigates and finds that sort of evidence, all it gets is a Hobson's choice between sitting on the evidence or harming the overall franchise of NCAA sports by taking down a marquee program.

The NCAA enforcement group is like the compliance wing of an unethical company. For obvious reasons of optics, the unethical company has to have to have a compliance department, but it doesn't really want the compliance group to do its job. So it starves the group of resources and implicitly encourages it to look the other way.

[My team] is clean because [reasons] really needs to die yesterday.

Even if the NCAA were motivated to investigate this sort of thing, enforcement is a joke. The NCAA has no subpoena power. It usually can generate some level of cooperation from universities and coaches if it chooses to do so, but it has absolutely no ability to go after shoe companies, rogue financial advisors, player "brokers", and the like. If Adidas got a request for documents or interviews from the NCAA, it would simply throw it in the trash.

Nobody itt has been able to prove that [Individual Player] has been on the take yet, that's all i'm saying!

To me, the most interesting question is whether a program like UNC, Duke, or Kansas will get taken down. If someone like Mike K was found to be directly involved in payoffs to players, it would be (perhaps) the biggest fall from grace for any college coach ever, with the exception of JoePa of course.

This isn't really a fall from grace for Pitino, because even his biggest fans, deep in their gut, knew what he was.

"Duke is elite at recruiting, they don't need to pay!"
"UNC is already amidst a cheating scandal, how could they possibly cheat again?"

Honestly not sure which is more ridiculous. lol at both of you though.

Why wouldn't Duke ever have elite football recruiting classes if they're willing to pay players? Do football players just not need the money as much as basketball players? Same with Kentucky, Kansas, UNC, etc. Look at the schools wrapped up in this. They also all have football issues...

UNC's issues are bad and the NCAA is obviously looking the other way, but they aren't paying players they're just taking the "student" out of "student-athlete."

Totally agree that the rules pertaining to players compensation are crazy stupid. So is having to drive 70 in the Fla Turnpike - but they are rules. At some point you have to look at the dudes actions in their entirety. Sleaze is the only descriptive term that comes to mind right now.

Nobody proved Bonds or Clemens took steroids. The focus on individuals is myopic; the biggest story here is that there's systemic corruption in college basketball. The adults are focused on the gigantic ****ing system of fraud and the perpetrators who are raking in billions. The manbabies are watching anxiously, hoping their school isn't implicated while their hated rivals are, seemingly for the grand payoff of some sweet schadenfreude.

The program with your argument is that the NCAA was talking about taking away a title from UofL and they are one of the (if not the largest money makers) in the country. The punishment they were talking about for UofL for the strippers was/is going to be the most over the top punishment the NCAA has ever given out. It isn't like they were raping little kids in the showers or had the whole university in on academic fraud.

https://www.forbes.com/pictures/hfjj.../#46ff2014cf06

The only way to address the problem is to formally allow payers to be paid. The problem is the environment created by the NCAA, which clearly encourages corruption, and they're not the ones being investigated here. Taking down boosters and coaches accomplishes nothing.

Just a quick question. From what I have read, the "systemic corruption" and "gigantic system of fraud" is nothing more than a way of getting around arbitrary rules created by the NCAA, which isn't a government entity.

For a system to be corrupt, someone has to be hurt. I don't see a victim here. Even if you could make the argument that schools are hurt due to fraud related to the awarding of college scholarships, the value the athletes bring to the colleges far outweigh the value of those scholarships.

You could argue that the shoe companies engaged in fraud, but, really, how does that compare to GM literally killing people on the scale of corporate malfeasance? Seems like a slap on the wrist situation.

Isn't this just one big giant overreaction? Yes, college sports are corrupt. But they would be just as corrupt even if everyone followed the rules to the letter. I mean, is it any less corrupt if colleges are the ones making billions from free labor?

To me, the biggest problem is that the NCAA is worried that cheating would damage its product on the field of play, which again isn't a government problem. If it wants to run a clean sport, it should invest more of its billions into enforcement.

You could argue that coaches shouldn't be accepting kickbacks from financial advisers to steer clients their way, but Wells Fargo basically just stole money from its clients. So where should that crime fall on the outrage meter?

I have yet to see why this is a big deal. If we are going to get mad at shoe companies, how about their labor practices in Asia? This stuff seems pretty minor in comparison.

Also, the government has a long history of going after low-hanging fruit when it comes to financial crimes. I don't think it is a coincidence that most of the people involved in this case are minorities. But that's just my opinion.

Jared Kushner literally bought his way into Harvard. Where's the SEC inquiry into that deal?

Yeah I'm still confused what makes this a actual crime. Seems like shoe company wants player, gives money to school, school pays player, player signs with company. Where is the "fraud" and or bribes?

Would love to see Izzo go down. Any chance of this?

If a school knows that a player has been paid then they know that player is ineligible to play under NCAA Rules. If they are ineligible to play then they are ineligible for an athletic scholarship. By providing them with an athletic scholarship despite knowing they were ineligible they are defrauding the entity which funds the scholarships. In the instance of a public university the funding entity is the state which gets its money from tax payers. That's fraud.

So the only thing making it a crime is the moronic NCAA rules?

This may be true, but in terms of "fraud," this seems more like a speeding ticket than a capital offense. Also, it is a stretch to say taxpayer dollars fund athletic scholarships. I think every big football/bball program generates more revenue than it receives, so there is no damage to the taxpayer.

But that's the problem, right? It's a cesspool of ethical problems, and the laws regarding this are clearly imperfect.

You are assuming the players are the only ones who benefit financially from the corruption.

Let's take the example of what Chuck Person did. He accepted money in exchange for an agreement to steer his nephew in the direction of a financial advisor. The amount of money that Person was receiving as a bribe should have been a huge tipoff that the financial advisor had every intention of screwing the player financially. (Person didn't know that the financial advisor was cooperating with the government, but that's not particularly relevant to the question of whether Person was planning to screw over his nephew.)

That's real harm.

Easy solution is to just nuke college basketball and football. NFL and NBA establish minor league systems like baseball and hockey where kids can go right out of high school and be paid to play.

sleazier coach: Pitino or Tressel?