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09-27-2017 , 01:32 PM

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Is there going to be any punishment for the players and families accepting the bribes?

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09-27-2017 , 01:36 PM

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It sounds like Chuck Person was going rogue and making some side money by sending athletes to a financial advisor. Pearl could be safe, but his past may hurt him in this situation.

They set up all the shenanigans, from taking tests for players to paying their families so that they can be pinned on some "rogue" not directly employed by the university or the athletic department, and not easily linked directly to official authorities (coach, AD, etc.). Sure some of them are crooked operators looking to make a dime for themselves - those are exactly the perfect people to use - because they can be blamed as autonomous actors. Usually it works well enough to lessen the punishment when they get caught.

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09-27-2017 , 01:41 PM

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Just skimming the charging docs, it would appear that the charge is defrauding federally funded schools out of money and honest services. As in, the schools were tricked into giving certain scholarships to people under false pretenses and are harmed because they only have so many scholarships to give out and were exposed by Chuck Person to potentially enormous reputations and monetary damages when the scheme is found out.

So the victims are the schools. And I guess kind of the American tax payer..

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I never have nor am I currently saying he was clean historically. I just think he's likely to be now (like this class and the past couple). If you're paying players to come to your school why wouldn't you at least pay some of them to stick around when your next recruiting class is a little light or you have a positional hole?

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Because they can't afford to compete with the NBA. $100k gets you a high school kid, but 1st round picks are guaranteed somewhere between 3 and 15 million dollars over their first 2 seasons.

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a program like Kentucky can definitely come up with $5mm for a star player...

And that's not nearly enough. The kid also hits free agency a year earlier so that's worth like, what, $25M?

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09-27-2017 , 01:51 PM

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This implies a level of active, top-down direction that doesn't exist very often. It happens, of course, but willful blindness at the head coach/AD level is much more common. Roy Williams doesn't want to know how the academic support group at UNC is so good at keeping kids eligible and not distracted, so he doesn't ask. Nick Saban doesn't want to know why a player is driving a new Range Rover, so he doesn't investigate. Bruce Pearl likely falls into this category.

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09-27-2017 , 01:59 PM

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Lol

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09-27-2017 , 02:05 PM

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The head coaches and ADs 100% know what's going on. Do they know every single detail of every single interaction? maybe not, but you better believe that they 100% know "the game" of recruiting and what's going on.

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09-27-2017 , 02:14 PM

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I wonder whats more likely - that UK and Duke are playing the same dirty game the rest of college basketball recruiting is playing forking over 100k for recruits, or if they continually get the top 2 classes every year by convincing poor 18 year olds to skip the payments from other schools and come play at UK and Duke for free

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09-27-2017 , 02:15 PM

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I wonder whats more likely - that UK and Duke are playing the same dirty game the rest of college basketball recruiting is playing forking over 100k for recruits, or if they continually get the top 2 classes by convincing poor 18 year olds to skip the payments from other schools and come play at UK and Duke for free

Of course they are playing the same game.

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09-27-2017 , 02:23 PM

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Is there going to be any punishment for the players and families accepting the bribes?

Of course not! Preposterous.

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09-27-2017 , 02:28 PM

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Employees of Nike's EYBL grassroots division, along with documents, have been subpoenaed by the FBI.

Nike schools are officially on the clock.

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09-27-2017 , 02:31 PM

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lot of opportunity out there with recruits decommitting. we have to be safe since russell doesnt have any money to buy recruits anyway

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09-27-2017 , 02:36 PM

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Of course they are playing the same game.

Not only playing the same game, theyre winning it. Surprised anyone could even think otherwise.

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09-27-2017 , 02:36 PM

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Nike and Adidas are going down. Things are looking up for BBB.

Speaking of the 2017 draft picks, could this be why the top recruit of that class went to a school with no basketball history?

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09-27-2017 , 02:38 PM

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Lavar the (S1-S5) Littlefinger of the Shoe Game.

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09-27-2017 , 02:42 PM

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Nike and Adidas are going down. Things are looking up for BBB.

Speaking of the 2017 draft picks, could this be why the top recruit of that class went to a school with no basketball history?

since when has Duke had no basketball history?

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09-27-2017 , 02:44 PM

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looks like the bot algorithm didn't parse that post correctly

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09-27-2017 , 02:45 PM

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He's talking about the #1 pick in the NBA Draft this year who went to a low level basketball school.

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09-27-2017 , 02:46 PM

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Bagley just chose Duke over Arizona and USC - 2 schools cited in this investigation. Think its safe to start getting worried if youre a Duke fan.

Last edited by ReddBoiler; 09-27-2017 at 02:55 PM. Reason: Getting my duke recruits mixed up

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09-27-2017 , 02:54 PM

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Well yeah that's what he's saying.

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09-27-2017 , 02:55 PM

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since when has Duke had no basketball history?

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He's talking about the #1 pick in the NBA Draft this year who went to a low level basketball school.

Yeah, Markelle Fultz. High school in Maryland. Went all the way west to University of Washington, a school that hasn't been to the NCAA tournament since 2011. That never made any sense to me.

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09-27-2017 , 03:08 PM

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Seriously. **** him. GOAT Sports Franchise.

Right??

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09-27-2017 , 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by gusmahler

Nike and Adidas are going down. Things are looking up for BBB.

Speaking of the 2017 draft picks, could this be why the top recruit of that class went to a school with no basketball history?

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looks like the bot algorithm didn't parse that post correctly

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He's talking about the #1 pick in the NBA Draft this year who went to a low level basketball school.

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Yeah, Markelle Fultz. High school in Maryland. Went all the way west to University of Washington, a school that hasn't been to the NCAA tournament since 2011. That never made any sense to me.

Fultz wasn't the top recruit though. He was just the top pick...

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09-27-2017 , 03:25 PM

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Bagley just chose Duke over Arizona and USC - 2 schools cited in this investigation. Think its safe to start getting worried if youre a Duke fan.

Why would that cause worry?

You think every single recruit who had an offer from one of the 5 schools implicated and who choose a different school are paid by the other school? I don't.

If Bagley went to a d3 school that might ring some alarms, but he didn't.

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09-27-2017 , 03:29 PM

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LOLCDL COME ON BRAH

Man I can't imagine some of the backdoor deals and conversations that are going on right now. Everyone gonna try to protect themselves and save their ass. Disgunbgud.

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09-27-2017 , 03:31 PM

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You guys think the Ball's are being paid to go to UCLA? I actually don't.

Is Shareef O'Neal committed to Arizona because he's getting paid? I kinda doubt it.

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